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Post by alansan on Dec 26, 2017 16:37:22 GMT
In that case, I think I need 3 items, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's basically:
the framemeister,
a scart cable for the saturn
and finally a 21 pin to xrgb-mini euroscart?
Is that it?
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Post by buckoa51 on Dec 26, 2017 19:54:51 GMT
Framemiester has S-Video, OSSC does not, but like Marc says Saturn supports RGB so you're better off using that anyway.
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Post by marc on Dec 26, 2017 20:41:14 GMT
Framemiester has S-Video, OSSC does not, but like Marc says Saturn supports RGB so you're better off using that anyway. My xrgb mini has no input for s-video, so just assumed it didn't. It must be via an adapter. I thought that input was for RGB only. I was curious so had a bit of a read about s-video on framemeister. Turns out s-video on a monitor is actually sharper than it is on a tv. I would have to see a comparison to confirm that. Have you tried the new packapunch cable yet bucko? I saw something mentioned on My life in gaming a while back.
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Post by marc on Dec 26, 2017 20:48:16 GMT
In that case, I think I need 3 items, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's basically: the framemeister, a scart cable for the saturn and finally a 21 pin to xrgb-mini euroscart? Is that it? Get this RGB Euro scart cable www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega-saturn-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead-cord-for-saleThe framemeister comes with a Euro scart adaptor. This is all you need to get the best possible picture out of your Saturn.
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Post by buckoa51 on Dec 26, 2017 23:38:24 GMT
The Framemiester comes with a JP21 adapter, a Euro SCART adapter needs to be purchased separately.
Look again lol It's the input labelled "S" on the front right of the unit (as you look at it)
In a nutshell, advantages of the XRGB Mini are better TV compatibility, more flexible scaling engine (since it's a full blown scaler), has composite and S-video support, better quality deinterlacing.
Advantages of OSSC are cheaper, better colours, no picture noise, less input lag, faster 240p/480i transitions.
I've got several and I've just about finished re-building a capture setup so I'll see if I can do some comparisons.
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Post by alansan on Dec 27, 2017 1:08:05 GMT
buckoa51, what do I need to use the OSSC instead of the framemeister? Just a OSSC, a saturn scart cable and a HDMI cable to connect it to the tv?
The framemeister is too expensive for me...
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Post by marc on Dec 27, 2017 1:42:58 GMT
Ha, hadn't noticed that input, maybe because I've not used it...thought they were just the composite inputs. Well I never!!!
Most sellers used to offer the euro scart adapter as an option. I remember mine came with the euro and a free remote overlay.
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Post by dquick on Dec 27, 2017 11:07:51 GMT
buckoa51, what do I need to use the OSSC instead of the framemeister? Just a OSSC, a saturn scart cable and a HDMI cable to connect it to the tv? The framemeister is too expensive for me... Yep, you just need the OSSC a HDMI cable and a Saturn RGB scart cable.
Note that the OSSC is pretty basic, so you'll need to order a remote and power supply with it or source your own.. There are different Saturn scart RGB cables floating around, so make sure you have the right one for your console. I love my OSSC, works really well with the Saturn.
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Post by buckoa51 on Dec 27, 2017 12:27:42 GMT
Yes I'd definitely recommend getting a remote, unless you have a suitable replacement one yourself. You can only access the devices very basic functions without one.
It's actually fairly decent too at least for 240p, I used it with my C64 (one of the noisiest/weirdest S-Video outputs on any machine) and it worked well.
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Post by alansan on Dec 27, 2017 15:08:55 GMT
Guys, so far, you've been a great help to me, I can't thank you enough!
I have informed myself really well about the framemeister and the ossc, but you know what? They're pretty expensive for me, unfortunately. Both of them. I spent a lot of money already getting a saturn in box and 15 games.
So, I found a really cheap converter for around $50 on eBay, the HD Video Converter SCART/HDMI to HDMI 720p/1080p. I don't know if you guys heard about it. But I've seen videos from it on YouTube and it looks pretty decent.
What do you guys think?
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Post by marc on Dec 28, 2017 4:16:53 GMT
Guys, so far, you've been a great help to me, I can't thank you enough! I have informed myself really well about the framemeister and the ossc, but you know what? They're pretty expensive for me, unfortunately. Both of them. I spent a lot of money already getting a saturn in box and 15 games. So, I found a really cheap converter for around $50 on eBay, the HD Video Converter SCART/HDMI to HDMI 720p/1080p. I don't know if you guys heard about it. But I've seen videos from it on YouTube and it looks pretty decent. What do you guys think? I think you should save up for an xrgbmini or ossc mate. Don't waste your money on crappy converters, it won't look good. You might as well let your telly upscale the games. I'm pretty certain using your component input and letting your tv handle the scaling will look as good. Plus, you will get unwanted lag using a hdmi converter, they aren't designed for gaming.
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Post by dquick on Dec 28, 2017 10:24:59 GMT
I don't know the exact $50 converter you're talking about but there are a few floating around. Honestly the Framemeister and the OSSC are pretty extreme enthusiast products and you have to be a little crazy to fork out for one unless you are absolutely certain it's the right product for you. I know people that have used cheaper ebay solutions and they are relatively happy with them. It really depends how discerning you want to get about picture quality, input lag etc. Definitely get the RGB cables, mess around with the $50 box and if you think there is real value in upgrading you can when you are ready. You definitely should see a benefit to running an RGB signal through a scaler and HDMI converter over sticking a composite signal straight into a modern TV. For a while I ran my Saturn via RGB cables through a cheap ebay scaler board to VGA output with quite satisfactory results. If you haven't been to this site already check it out, it's probably the best site on the net for all this stuff. You'll find write ups on a lot of devices ranging from cheap to expensive. Most likely the device you are looking at is just the latest iteration of one covered. retrogaming.hazard-city.de/One thing you probably won't get with a cheaper solution is options for adding a simulated scanline effect. Personally I can't live without my scanlines on older games, but that is pure personal preference.
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Post by buckoa51 on Dec 28, 2017 11:07:59 GMT
Those cheapy converters output frame unlocked video (so introduce a little bit of stutter) and have about 30ms input lag, but for the price they aren't terrible. Because they're so cheap their deinterlacing is basic, which is kinda what you want (though what you really want is 240p handled as progressive and not deinterlaced at all of course). You could always go with HD Retrovision's Component Video cables ( www.hdretrovision.com/saturn/ ) and see how your TV handles 240p natively.
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Post by Sonnington on Dec 30, 2017 1:49:51 GMT
Oh, damn, probably would've been good to know this before I bought the scart to hdmi. It was only 20-30 bucks or something. It's being shipped from China as we speak... so I'll let you know how it works out.
While I'm waiting for the scart to hdmi, I've been thinking about just getting an rca cables and picking up a free crt tv from craigslist. They've worked well for me for 20+ years. I guess if it aint broke don't fix it.
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Post by buckoa51 on Dec 31, 2017 11:06:35 GMT
Nab a CRT with component inputs and one of HD Retrovisions component cables.
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