S-Video on the Saturn

[shaddow085]

The Retro Gaming cable look nice indeed. Not cheap but I am willing to pay the price if the quality is alright. Besides the RGB Cable for my Saturn I also intereseted in buying a RGB cable for my Gamecube as well. My Cube is using composite so far and needs an upgrade as well.

To bad do not have a decent Dreamcast Rgb cable. Need one for dreamcast too, because the  orginal cable I got with the console  starts to spoil.


dj898 Thanks for your opinion as well.  As I said alreaday I do not have the necessary pieces. I wanted to get the S-video HDMI converter just for the N64, for my other  systems  (Saturn, Dreamcast and  Gamecube ) I wanted to use RGB.

But out of  curiosity I wanted to learn more about the S-Video capabilities of the Saturn.

[darkman01]

Mar 3, 2018 19:19:51 GMT shaddow085 said:

The Retro Gaming cable look nice indeed. Not cheap but I am willing to pay the price if the quality is alright. Besides the RGB Cable for my Saturn I also intereseted in buying a RGB cable for my Gamecube as well. My Cube is using composite so far and needs an upgrade as well.

To bad do not have a decent Dreamcast Rgb cable. Need one for dreamcast too, because the  orginal cable I got with the console  starts to spoil.


dj898 Thanks for your opinion as well.  As I said alreaday I do not have the necessary pieces. I wanted to get the S-video HDMI converter just for the N64, for my other  systems  (Saturn, Dreamcast and  Gamecube ) I wanted to use RGB.

But out of  curiosity I wanted to learn more about the S-Video capabilities of the Saturn.

with Dreamcast you may as well go for VGA to be honest, apart from the rare game that doesn't support it.

[shaddow085]

VGA looks great indeed but I am bit sceptical if VGA works on my current TV to be frank. Besides my av to hdmi scaler I also bought a cheap vga to hdmi converter and the image is clear but it not stable. Maybe it due to the fact that the conveerter is cheap but there is also the possibility that my tv has a problem in general with VGA. Not sure if I can bypass this problem via the OSSC.. So i want to try my luck with RGB scart.

[darkman01]

If your TV supports 640X480 via a VGA (or a DVI-I port)then its certainly worth a look. The OSSC does a decent job with VGA and has some options to improve the image further (like upscaling to 960p essentially).

The main issue with VGA on the Dreamcast is that, just like RGB , its not digital , so the quality of the cable/box matters alot. Cheap VGA boxes tend to have issues with poor image and build quality

I myself use a Kuro VGA box from Beharbros , the results are pretty good with the OSSC.

[shaddow085]

Yes it important for sure to get a good quality Box. The cheap converter I got was not the right choice then. The VGA Cable itself it is ok. I tested it on my PC Monitor and it worked just fine. I will try to get another nice vga box then. The Beharbros products should be the perfect choice.

[buckoa51]

If your TV supports 640X480 via a VGA (or a DVI-I port)then its certainly worth a look. The OSSC does a decent job with VGA and has some options to improve the image further (like upscaling to 960p essentially).

OSSC is currently the only analogue to digital converter that can display the Dreamcast correctly. Dreamcast is actually 720x480 but since 640x480 is the VGA standard all TVs/Monitors etc display it like that resulting in an image that's too squashed.

The main issue with VGA on the Dreamcast is that, just like RGB , its not digital , so the quality of the cable/box matters alot. Cheap VGA boxes tend to have issues with poor image and build quality

Kind of politely disagree here. All the Dreamcast VGA box does is really short one connection and tell the Dreamcast to output VGA. It's basically nothing more than a cable, though I suppose if you get bad quality cables you're going to have a bad time anyway.

I myself use a Kuro VGA box from Beharbros , the results are pretty good with the OSSC.

Do you use the SCART or VGA connection to your OSSC? Reason I ask, the SCART input has the low pass filter, VGA input does not. LPF is not needed for 480p but benefits 240p and 480i quite a bit, so I'm wondering if connecting via SCART might be better overall (SCART input on OSSC of course accepts 480p too).

[darkman01]

I use the VGA connection , the Kuro box is the simpler box that literally is just a VGA connection + phono , although it does have a 480p/480i switch. The settings I use are 480p 2X along with 2x samplerate, Also the image is stretched a bit to fill up the monitor.

I have some experience with poor quality VGA cables, not only was the picture worse, but it eventually broke down (the colours were all messed up unless the cable was in a certain position).

Sadly alot of VGA boxes are like that now, and the official boxes are rare and very expensive (not to mention you are dealing with a 20 year old product)

[buckoa51]

I'm thinking of the Toro aren't I? Sorry.

Have you dialled in the settings as per the Wiki? (sadly that's down at the moment). Those are the best settings to use for Dreamcast. You should at least increase H.Active from 640 to 720 for correct aspect ratio.

[darkman01]

yeah the H.Active is set at 720. , and the "DTV 480p" setting is also enabled , or else the signal keeps on getting cut out

overall it gives a very sharp image on the 2007FP, and not to jaggy either, though I do have the scanline setting at auto so the scanlines are disabled for 480p mode.

tbh I haven't used the wiki much , although I probably should.

[bultje112]

Mar 3, 2018 19:19:51 GMT shaddow085 said:

The Retro Gaming cable look nice indeed. Not cheap but I am willing to pay the price if the quality is alright. Besides the RGB Cable for my Saturn I also intereseted in buying a RGB cable for my Gamecube as well. My Cube is using composite so far and needs an upgrade as well.

To bad do not have a decent Dreamcast Rgb cable. Need one for dreamcast too, because the  orginal cable I got with the console  starts to spoil.


dj898 Thanks for your opinion as well.  As I said alreaday I do not have the necessary pieces. I wanted to get the S-video HDMI converter just for the N64, for my other  systems  (Saturn, Dreamcast and  Gamecube ) I wanted to use RGB.

But out of  curiosity I wanted to learn more about the S-Video capabilities of the Saturn.

why use rgb with gamecube and dreancast? they can output 480p through vga (dreamcast) and gamecube though component or hdmi. gamecube is a bit troublesome but new solutions are being released now.

[darkman01]

The only thing to worry about with VGA on Dreamcast is that some games are incompatible , mainly a few PAL releases like Hydro Thunder ,Code Veronica and Skies of Arcadia , but one can get around those with things like boot discs, patches, or simply getting the US/Japanese releases.

component on the GC is very expensive (I was lucky enough to get a cable for a low price due to it being tampered with previously) but relatively affordable HDMI solutions are available , as long as you have one of the earlier Gamecubes with the digital port.

[shaddow085]

Mar 6, 2018 7:30:40 GMT bultje112 said:

Mar 3, 2018 19:19:51 GMT shaddow085 said:

The Retro Gaming cable look nice indeed. Not cheap but I am willing to pay the price if the quality is alright. Besides the RGB Cable for my Saturn I also intereseted in buying a RGB cable for my Gamecube as well. My Cube is using composite so far and needs an upgrade as well.

To bad do not have a decent Dreamcast Rgb cable. Need one for dreamcast too, because the  orginal cable I got with the console  starts to spoil.


dj898 Thanks for your opinion as well.  As I said alreaday I do not have the necessary pieces. I wanted to get the S-video HDMI converter just for the N64, for my other  systems  (Saturn, Dreamcast and  Gamecube ) I wanted to use RGB.

But out of  curiosity I wanted to learn more about the S-Video capabilities of the Saturn.

why use rgb with gamecube and dreancast? they can output 480p through vga (dreamcast) and gamecube though component or hdmi. gamecube is a bit troublesome but new solutions are being released now..

I am aware that there is   component cable  for the Gamecube but these cables are way to expensive. But if there are solutions   than plain rgb I will research. The HDMI Solutions sounds especially nice.

For the Dreamcast VGA would be the better choice But I was   hesitant to use it because some of favourite   Games are not running via VGA in pal like RE Code Veronica.

But I could get hold of a  nice   DX C Disc, and I will just buy  US Version again.  Besides the RE Titles that are not working in Pal most of he other games  can be used with VGA.

[digichan]

It's pretty clean signal and much sharper than standard composite cables however my main issue is finding s-video cables that don't have any loud analogue noise buzzing so I went with decent sync on luma RGB cable from retrogamingcables.co.uk where the buzzing is significantly reduced along with any noise artefacts that was appearing in the audio to the point where I was wondering "do I need to recap my Saturn's capacitors"?.

my play through of lunar 2 eternal blue on sega Saturn was hooked s-video to elgato game capture. I had to edit out the buzzing especially on those white blank screens or even FMV scenes. Compared to non emulated sega Saturn youtube vids I thought the image was decent especially when you factor the youtube compression.

[shaddow085]

Sorry for digging out old thread. As recommended I ordered an rgb scart cabel from console goods in march. It worked quite well but not it seems to be broken already only after 2 month of usage. .

I ordered an S-Video cable a few days ago for my future small crt for lighgun games. As soon as I have it i will also plug it into the Framemeister to see how well it works with my lcd. If the image quality is decent i will do any further steps.

If I am not happy I need to get an other rgb scart cable. This time i get a more expensive one. Maybe the more expensive one will last longer.

ok long story short: Has somebody of you experience with the rgb scart cables from Retro gaming cables? Did you guys had any quality issues with them? Or are you using them for long time already without any problems?

would be pleased hearing some opinions about the retro gaming rgb scart cables?

If you know other hight quality brands you can also mention them. I am curious if there are some good offerings without the retro gaming cables uk realm.

[atolm]

May 6, 2018 11:49:22 GMT shaddow085 said:

Sorry for digging out old thread. As recommended I ordered an rgb scart cabel from console goods in march. It worked quite well but not it seems to be broken already only after 2 month of usage. .

I ordered an S-Video cable a few days ago for my future small crt for lighgun games. As soon as I have it i will also plug it into the Framemeister to see how well it works with my lcd. If the image quality is decent i will do any further steps.

If I am not happy I need to get an other rgb scart cable. This time i get a more expensive one. Maybe the more expensive one will last longer.

ok long story short: Has somebody of you experience with the rgb scart cables from Retro gaming cables? Did you guys had any quality issues with them? Or are you using them for long time already without any problems?

would be pleased hearing some opinions about the retro gaming rgb scart cables?

If you know other hight quality brands you can also mention them. I am curious if there are some good offerings without the retro gaming cables uk realm.

Retro Gaming Cables (UK) and Retro-Access (US) are the top players in the retro SCART cable market.  Retro gaming cables actually uses custom circuit boards in the scart cable head for mounting components vs just soldering in a bundle of wires.  They're probably the highest quality you can get.  Might as well order the Framemeister SCART adapter while you're placing the Saturn cable order.  If you're using the Framemeister, go RGB.  Don't stop with S-Video, you won't be getting your moneys worth out of that expensive upscaler.

I wouldn't hesitate ordering from either company.

If you're going to be using other systems, I'd recommend grabbing a SCART switchbox as well.  That way you're not constantly plugging and unplugging connections.