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Post by darkman01 on Dec 6, 2017 10:07:42 GMT
some nice pick ups today Xmen Children of the atom £20 Fifa 98 (was curious to see how bad the EA cases are) £6.95 Daytona USA £5.95 Sega Worldwide Soccer 97 £7.95 The EA cases are still better the the cardboard cases. Rayman in my opinion has the worst combo , it has a cardboard case, along with a pretty thick manual , which means the case never closes . Why Sega thought those cases were a good idea is beyond me (cost cutting maybe?)
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Post by matofthedead on Dec 6, 2017 10:24:12 GMT
The EA cases are still better the the cardboard cases. Rayman in my opinion has the worst combo , it has a cardboard case, along with a pretty thick manual , which means the case never closes . Why Sega thought those cases were a good idea is beyond me (cost cutting maybe?) the EA cases would be fine if they were black rather than off blue
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 7, 2017 17:44:49 GMT
got the Japanese versions of Sega Rally and Sega Touring Car.
I had the PAL version of Sega Rally, but given the absurdly low price of the NTSC-J version (it cost me £2 shipping included) , I figured I may as well. The aspect ratio is correct and if anything ,its easier to store than the PAL version which I will probably sell.
Touring Car Ive never played before, and its quite good, although I need more practice. The main flaw with the game is the inconsistent frame rate. In that respect its alot like Daytona, albeit visually better.
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Post by sych on Dec 7, 2017 18:43:39 GMT
got the Japanese versions of Sega Rally and Sega Touring Car. I had the PAL version of Sega Rally, but given the absurdly low price of the NTSC-J version (it cost me £2 shipping included) , I figured I may as well. The aspect ratio is correct and if anything ,its easier to store than the PAL version which I will probably sell. Touring Car Ive never played before, and its quite good, although I need more practice. The main flaw with the game is the inconsistent frame rate. In that respect its alot like Daytona, albeit visually better. Please tell me you bought JPN Sega Rally Plus as opposed to the normal JPN Sega Rally? Is also found the JPN Touring Cars more enjoyable than the PAL version
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 7, 2017 19:45:18 GMT
got the Japanese versions of Sega Rally and Sega Touring Car. I had the PAL version of Sega Rally, but given the absurdly low price of the NTSC-J version (it cost me £2 shipping included) , I figured I may as well. The aspect ratio is correct and if anything ,its easier to store than the PAL version which I will probably sell. Touring Car Ive never played before, and its quite good, although I need more practice. The main flaw with the game is the inconsistent frame rate. In that respect its alot like Daytona, albeit visually better. Please tell me you bought JPN Sega Rally Plus as opposed to the normal JPN Sega Rally? Is also found the JPN Touring Cars more enjoyable than the PAL version its the normal Sega Rally, correct me if Im wrong but I think Sega Rally Plus' main improvement is online and proper 3d pad support?
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Post by sych on Dec 7, 2017 20:10:49 GMT
Please tell me you bought JPN Sega Rally Plus as opposed to the normal JPN Sega Rally? Is also found the JPN Touring Cars more enjoyable than the PAL version its the normal Sega Rally, correct me if Im wrong but I think Sega Rally Plus' main improvement is online and proper 3d pad support? I thought the normal version of JPN Sega Rally had a few minor glitches which is why the PAL version was considered the best until the Plus version came along. As well as online and proper 3D support it corrected those glitches found in the jpn version which were not present in the PAL version. I'm gonna have to dig out where I read that.
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 7, 2017 20:13:40 GMT
its the normal Sega Rally, correct me if Im wrong but I think Sega Rally Plus' main improvement is online and proper 3d pad support? I thought the normal version of JPN Sega Rally had a few minor glitches which is why the PAL version was considered the best until the Plus version came along. As well as online and proper 3D support it corrected those glitches found in the jpn version which were not present in the PAL version. I'm gonna have to dig out where I read that. interesting. I do know the US version is considered the worst as its missing some track details, but Ive never heard of any differences between the other 2. When I was playing it , I noticed the game handled a little differently at 60hz as opposed to 50hz , it may well be Im used to the PAL conversion
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Post by sych on Dec 7, 2017 20:17:29 GMT
I thought the normal version of JPN Sega Rally had a few minor glitches which is why the PAL version was considered the best until the Plus version came along. As well as online and proper 3D support it corrected those glitches found in the jpn version which were not present in the PAL version. I'm gonna have to dig out where I read that. interesting. I do know the US version is considered the worst as its missing some track details, but Ive never heard of any differences between the other 2. When I was playing it , I noticed the game handled a little differently at 60hz as opposed to 50hz , it may well be Im used to the PAL conversion There's a little info about it on the wiki page here but it's just mentioning the US version like you said but I'll look for a more detailed link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Rally_ChampionshipI will say the Plus version made all the diference for me. I hated Sega Rally until I bought that version and was able to utilise the 3D controller for the first time. I was able to complete the Desert Course with the Plus Version's proper 3D support which I had never managed to before on the normal version.
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 7, 2017 20:58:33 GMT
tbh , for the £2 I paid for it, Im ok. I don't mind the digital controls, they are really well done compared to alot of games.
the Plus version seems to be a fair bit more expensive.
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Post by sych on Dec 7, 2017 22:25:22 GMT
tbh , for the £2 I paid for it, Im ok. I don't mind the digital controls, they are really well done compared to alot of games. the Plus version seems to be a fair bit more expensive. Very true. Still a great game whatever version you buy. I wonder if the JPN Virtual On Net-Link got any upgrades in the graphics or content department from the normal version apart from the netlink. Interesting you're replacing and upgrading some of your games. I'm starting to do the same thing. I cleared out recently PAL Virtual On, PAL F1 Challenge, PAL Story of Thor 2, PAL Golden Axe: The Duel and PAL Sega Rally and bought the JPN and NTSC-US versions of those games instead as it meant I can now play those games at full screen and full speed. Reason for this is because those PAL optimised games always overscan when I use to force them into 60hz and I couldn't deal with the awful boarders anymore when playing those games in 50hz. PAL Story of Thor 2 was especially frustrating so I got the US version instead. I've suddenly become very wary of PAL optimised Saturn games and tend to avoid them at all costs and seek region alternatives where possible. Other than that I'm two Saturn games away from replacing all cardboard case Saturn games with the plastic case re-released versions. Plastic case Bug Too! still proving to be a thorn in my side though. Latest new purchase was Virtual Racing, very keen to see how that plays.
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 7, 2017 23:26:22 GMT
It depends on the game. Sega Rally wasn't a top priority, but for £2 Im not complaining. Other games I may change would be the Virtua Cop games, since mine are the bundle versions which are very plain. On Saturn I actually prefer unoptimised PAL games, as my Saturn has a switchless mod and I can simply force those games into 60hz , rather than deal with an optimisation which may or may not be good
On other systems its a different story, with PS1 there is no easy way to force a game into 60hz, I prefer optimised or proper NTSC versions (when my copy of Tekken 3 broke, I used the opportunity to get the NTSC-J version) . I would say to basically avoid any PAL Namco, Capcom or Square games on that system.
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Post by sych on Dec 8, 2017 0:26:56 GMT
On Saturn I actually prefer optimised PAL games, as my Saturn has a switchless mod and I can simply force those games into 60hz , rather than deal with an optimisation which may or may not be good I also have a switchless mod Saturn so I have the exact same set up as you but not all PAL optimised Saturn games were fully optimised, some were partly optimised, either missing the speed or screen size. Even the PAL games that are optimised like i.e Sega Rally, Nights, Panzer Dragoon, Guardian Heroes e.t.c they never play at completely FULL screen, theres always mini boarders at the top and bottom of the screen and on the left hand side of the screen. And when you switch those games to 60hz vis switchless they obviously overscan and parts of screen dissapear. With JPN & NTSC releses you don't have to worry about any of that mess at all as the games will display correctly in full screen. Most modern good TV's can get rid of the small boarders at the top and bottom of the screen but the boarder usually to the left hand side of the screen still remains. I'd much rather a PAL game was unoptimised because at least when you switch it to 60hz via a switchless reset it uses all of the screen and adds the 17.5% speed and the boarders completely dissapear. Not the case with PAL optimised games you will still get some boarders and even when you try and expand the screen by switching it to 60hz, overscan still appears and some games run glitchy. PAL Guradian Heroes is a classic example of this. randomisedgaming.tumblr.com/post/146372446412/the-complete-european-sega-saturn-60hz-guide-to
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 8, 2017 0:32:14 GMT
I noticed I made a typo , I actually meant optimised games on the Saturn. I try and avoid optimised games on the Saturn , Mega Drive too actually.
Another game I wouldn't mind changing would be UMK3 , the PAL game runs at the correct speed (or at least feels like it) , but has borders, its another example of a rubbish conversion . problem is that the US version is hard to find
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Post by sych on Dec 8, 2017 0:37:40 GMT
I noticed I made a typo , I actually meant optimised games on the Saturn. I try and avoid optimised games on the Saturn , Mega Drive too actually. Another game I wouldn't mind changing would be UMK3 , the PAL game runs at the correct speed (or at least feels like it) , but has borders, its another example of a rubbish conversion . problem is that the US version is hard to find I'm with you now. I also share your pain regarding PAL UMK3. Another reason why I got rid of that game in the end. Shame the AI in MKT is so infuriating.
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Post by darkman01 on Dec 8, 2017 9:23:32 GMT
I do have the DOS version of MK3 laying around, and its a decent version , but given the game is played with a keyboard (gamepad support in DOS is limited), its less than ideal.
MKT is a decent MK game, main issue of course on the Saturn is the price, its quite difficult to justify spending £100 on a Saturn copy, when a PS1 copy is 1/10 of that for an almost identical game.
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