thanks guys, looking forward to sharing saturn knowledge with u all in the future... speaking of witch.. lets talk controllers.. does anyone know why the 3d contoller can detach atthe contollers end? puzzled me since i got my first one with NiGHTS. How about those infra red controllers aye.. wouldnt mind getting my hands on a pair of those.. wooaahh...know what i mean... know what i mean... woooaaahh. u could plug them into a multitap couldnt u? hey then theres the mouse.. anyone know any games the mouse works on besides myst... and i assume riven..any others?