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Post by kungfumugwump on Aug 30, 2008 11:37:52 GMT
Hello Peeps,
I just got a new HD tv and it does not seem to like the Saturn, the graphics are blockier than normal and it seems to slow down the movement in games. Does anyone have any suggestions or is it just that the newer TV's are not compatable with the older consoles?
Thanks
Ian
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Post by sonix on Aug 30, 2008 11:54:22 GMT
That's weird, in my case it's completely opposite, games seem to run smoother and some of them look even better. I don't know if I can help you though :/ Which connector do you use and what TV do you have?
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Post by clerksfan4life on Aug 31, 2008 1:37:43 GMT
I get a problem with mine too. The picture is smooth, clean and crisp but it doesn't fit the entire screen. Some games will fit pretty good but others will have some of the picture cut off even when It's zoomed out. I'd probably get a full picture if I used an RF cable but then the picture wouldn't be as clean.
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Post by sonix on Aug 31, 2008 6:36:28 GMT
In my case some games fit the screen fully, some leave some space on the right or on the up, down and right but it doens't mean the picture is cut, I just have black stripes. I'm using S-Video and I'm perfectly fine with it.
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Post by liveinabin on Aug 31, 2008 8:58:44 GMT
I've found that, on my HDTV, S-Video is marginally better that the (excellent) Sega SCART lead. Don't know why.
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Post by superdeadite on Aug 31, 2008 10:32:05 GMT
I've found that, on my HDTV, S-Video is marginally better that the (excellent) Sega SCART lead. Don't know why. I believe Saturn SCART's exist in two formats: RGB scart and composite scart. If your's is composite scart, then S-video should look better.
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Post by clerksfan4life on Aug 31, 2008 11:30:21 GMT
In my case some games fit the screen fully, some leave some space on the right or on the up, down and right but it doens't mean the picture is cut, I just have black stripes. I'm using S-Video and I'm perfectly fine with it. Yeah that's what I get but a few of my games (Street Fighter Collection being one of them) have some of the picture missing from the edges.
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Post by kungfumugwump on Sept 1, 2008 9:53:38 GMT
I think i'll give an S video cable a go, thanks for the advice!
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Post by liveinabin on Sept 7, 2008 8:59:55 GMT
I can't see it being much better than the SCART though. The SCART that comes with the Saturn has got to be the best pack-in video connector of all time.
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Post by elend on Sept 7, 2008 9:51:53 GMT
I once tried my Sega Saturn on my mate's HDTV. I thought the picture looked quite ok, actually better than I expected and movement wise I wasn't able to see any differences. Yet, the problem could be your TV. Every HDTV has to progress the Saturn's signal, to a progressive one. And this very processing is sometimes very good (=very expensive TV) or very bad (=very cheap TV). Also the decreasing speed could be caused by that progressing. What we retrogamers need, for the perfect picture on a HDTV would be an upscaler. They simply do the same thing, your TV does, but with a MUCH better quality. They also cost from 200 USD up to 1000 USD, though! Here are more informations about old consoles on HDTVs, if you want to get a bit into it: retrogaming.hazard-city.de/And hrere's something similiar with scanlines examined, etc. scanlines.hazard-city.de/
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Post by torrente on Sept 7, 2008 10:26:02 GMT
Where were you all this time elend??? In a few posts you simply had became essential to this forum
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Post by Snowcat. on Sept 7, 2008 18:41:50 GMT
:/ I find the Saturn looks fine on our HD
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Post by liveinabin on Sept 8, 2008 16:27:14 GMT
Theres a delay processing any picture on an LCD tv (sadly noticeable if you have the sound coming through a seperate amp) entirely due to the image processing. However, it doesn't make the games run slower, just a fraction of a second later.
If you are getting a so so picture from any old console on an HDTV, Onkyo have a wonderful budget cinema amp (about £400, much less in dollars) the SR606. You feed any video type into it, and whatever it is, it gets upscaled and sent through a single HDMi to the telly. Genius. I'm saving for one now.
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Post by chizzles on Sept 8, 2008 16:43:14 GMT
The more time you spend upscaling, the higher the amount of lag becomes.
The smallest delay you can get on a digital display is 1 frame because the entire image has to be buffered in memory before it can be displayed (As opposed to an analog system being able to display an image as soon as the signal is fed to the CRT).
So basically, the less upscalling malarkey you have going on, the better - if lag is your primary concern.
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Post by ajmetz on Sept 10, 2008 21:44:35 GMT
I had blockiness, smoothness, cut off, not cut off...basically, there's a tonne of options on our TV's menu to adjust the softening, picture noise, and set the aspect ratio and zoom levels. I had the bottom cut off a little when it was on a 14:something ratio, and changed to 4:3 and then the full frame was visible. I also used the ZOOM function on Enemy Zero to turn that tiny little FMV window the game takes place in, to be full screen. ^_^ Low res...but NICE. ^_^ Still think the games looked better on a smaller SD TV, but when the games look too blocky, I just increase the image softness via the TV's menu, and sit at a distance.
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