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Post by Oho on Jul 19, 2013 13:16:15 GMT
So what do you guys think about this? Unless these are made by Sega themselves (this is the only scenario where this would interest me) these will be fan-made knock offs in my book and of no interest to collectors. I also doubt that they have the original design files for the manuals, disk arts and inserts. ^^ This too.
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Post by Oho on Jul 19, 2013 13:18:40 GMT
I'd love it too but like everyone else here, realistically it is unfeasible.
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Post by bradcap1 on Jul 19, 2013 13:42:40 GMT
I'd be out. Not because I think it's a terrible idea and I can't really comment on the technical and IP issues that others here are mentioning. I've just been extremely fortunate over the last five years to have been able to acquire every Saturn game I want including those you mention as well as consoles and accessories. Unfortunately most people you would be targeting with this proposition who are dedicated enough to this console and willing to shell out the cash will have already done so on the original games.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jul 19, 2013 15:35:17 GMT
So what do you guys think about this? I am not interested. I have originals of the games I can afford or care enough to own, CD-Rs for everything else. Unless these are made by Sega themselves (this is the only scenario where this would interest me) these will be fan-made knock offs in my book and of no interest to collectors. That would kind of be the idea here. Have Sega make the reproductions but fans fund it. These wouldn't be fan-made knock offs, the goal would be to have Sega make actual reprints. And if the reprints are indistinguishable from the originals what does it matter? At that point it's just another official print run Sitting here saying "It wont happen, don't bother cuz Sega wont talk to you" is pretty damn pessimistic when no one as actually looked into this or tried it as far as I know. Reprints have happened in the past. Just last year Capcom reprinted Gotcha Force for the Gamecube even though that's a 10 year old game for an unpopular system. Square Enix reprinted some of their PS1 games not too long ago. Capcom reprinted RE2 and RE3 for the Gamecube and Sega reprinted REZ back around 2006 for the PS2 after Game Quest Direct offered to fund the reprints. Basically what I'm getting at here is instead of sitting here crying about it affecting the prices of the originals or the possibility of Sega saying no, or the possible market why don't we actually sit down and do some research on this and find out what the actual answer is instead of speculating?
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Post by Syntesis on Jul 19, 2013 16:13:36 GMT
Well if you care enough to make this happen then bless your heart, I wish you the best of luck. It's just not something I feel strongly enough about (or feel there is enough of a chance) to help make happen. FWIW though I don't care about 1:1 copies if it means improvements like a full colour manual and minor stuff like (c) Sega 2013 on the back, just as long as it's an official Sega product using high quality prints. If it's made by Sega then it's 100% legitimate, doesn't matter what year it was printed.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jul 19, 2013 18:11:29 GMT
If it comes out that it really is impossible then I'll accept that. But I would like to at least see what the facts of the matter are as opposed to speculation. Most of what's been said here is speculation, it's educated speculation, but still speculation none the less.
That's what the main point of this thread is. To basically research the idea.
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Post by mick_aka on Jul 19, 2013 19:56:58 GMT
You just need to bare in mind that Sega is a business, if there's no good profit (either monetary or publicity value) they won't go for it.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jul 19, 2013 22:51:48 GMT
You just need to bare in mind that Sega is a business, if there's no good profit (either monetary or publicity value) they won't go for it. I'm well aware of that. It still doesn't mean we can't do some research the idea.
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Post by mick_aka on Jul 20, 2013 1:22:24 GMT
So I did some research...
Saturn CD-ROMs during the entire run of the system were manufactured for PAL territories exclusively by Maxell Europe, at their plant in North Dublin. The plant no longer exists (the building now houses a printing firm) an Maxell Europe's current office in Berkshire is merely a European sales office, they make nothing.
I can find NOTHING on where the US and JP plants were located. The equipment still existing somewhere could make the difference between this costing thousands or hundreds of thousands.
Toshinori Asai invented the CD protection system for Sega in 1992 and Sega STILL own an active patent on it, so a polite mail to Sega may be your next port of call on this.
Good luck!
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jul 20, 2013 4:48:32 GMT
Well, before we send a mail to Sega I was thinking it might be best for us to come up with a set of questions to basically outline what we want to ask. That way it saves time and emails. Also it might help to write the main message together so it's a bit more refined. And also does anyone have any contacts at Sega from interviews or anything like that who could direct us to where to send our questions? It would probably be better to have a more specific point of contact for something like this than to just send it to a random PR email.
Just to document it, here are the questions that have been raised so far:
1) Does the technology to create the Protection Ring still exist? 1a) If not, is it at all possible to recreate that technology? 2) What would be the minimum size of a production run possible? 3) How much would a production run of that size cost? 4) Do the masters for the CDs still exist? 5) Do the masters for the packaging and manuals still exist? 6) Is it possible to have the cases reproduced? 6a) What would be required to have them reproduced and what would the cost be?
That's about what I can think of right now as I'm a bit tired. Feel free to modify and add to them.
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Post by MIK on Jul 20, 2013 8:00:34 GMT
Problem with Sega Europe today, it's not the same Sega Europe as yesterday or yesteryear. They have a lot of young people and some in their 20's working there, people come and go like no tomorrow. Go back 20 years and a Saturn was a twinkle in Sega Japans eye with Megadrive it's flagship machine for home play. In other words many of the people that work there today will have no idea what your talking about and will have to google some of it, that's if they bother to follow up anything you have said.
It would have to go through Public Relations, normally and fully trained office type girl and if she can't smell money then she is not doing her job properly, or it could be palmed off to the guy running the website.
Not trying to put a downer on things, this is reality and how Sega Europe works today.
Sega do have an official forum, (or did the last time I looked) which was started by Sega America a while back, Sega E has jumped on board. Not sure if any officials reply to posts but it will be seen by them I'm sure.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jul 20, 2013 15:50:55 GMT
I was probably going to go through Sega of America anyways.
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Post by mick_aka on Jul 20, 2013 20:26:15 GMT
The major CD pressing plants in the US during the Saturn's run were:
Corporate Disc - 1226 Michael Drive, Woods Dale, IL, 60191
Kao Infosystems - 40 Grisson Road, Plymouth, MA, 02360
Mediatechnics - 7944 East Beck Lane, Suite 240, Scotsdale, AZ, 85260
Megasoft Inc. - 819 Highway 33 East, Freehold NJ, 07728
PAC Services Inc. - 17735 NE 65th Street, Redmond, WA, 98052
It's a reasonable bet Kao Infosystems were the manufacturers as they were a very large Japanese owned plant, the plant was taken over by Zomax Incorporated who are still in business, worth contacting?
Mediatechnics were manufacturing stuff for GT interactive so again possible that Sega were in bed with them, they were taken over by Ionos software publishing which have long since gone, as has the plant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 21:44:36 GMT
How about finding a way to reproduce long box cases?
EDIT: didnt read the whole thread. whatever!
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Post by mysaturncollection on Aug 19, 2013 22:06:23 GMT
As much as I would love to see this happen, I agree that if it ever were do be done, it would have to be done by Sega themselves (and the possibility of this is 0%)
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