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Post by itrdavid on Apr 4, 2008 1:13:36 GMT
The "problem" with RSG seems to be that people suppose it's a shooter. It's not. It's a Treasure game, meaning it's a cross-breed of different genres, and one have to approach it with a very open state of mind to fully appreciate the unique concept. The quite overwhelming graphics are easily seen, as well as the quality of programming, but the depth of the game requires a commited player to be fully enjoyed.
As a pure shooter Soukyugurentai may be the prime Saturn choice, but as a game I'd say it lacks in mostly every way compared to RSG.
I still love Soukyugurentai, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2008 12:10:46 GMT
I tend to agree with you there - RSG doesn't initally grab you the way a pure shooter like Souky or DoDonPachi does....
To be honest the amount of hype surrounding RSG is such that you can't help but feel slightly let down after the 1st few plays. The impression I got from the game was that it would require a lot of my time and right now I just don't have it - leaving me playing "shallower" games. It is something I will progress toward after mastering other shooters. As for Ikaruga - thats a step even further toward a more puzzley type of shooter.
I'd say that if playing this via emu you would really need to get a good PC controller due to the novel weapon control scheme. In fact typing this has made me realise I really should get my Saturn arcade controller out and try that as I've only ever played it with the standard controller.....
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Post by chizzles on Apr 4, 2008 12:44:55 GMT
I play it on a Arcade stick, I'm sorry but I really just do not think the game justifies the £140 price tag it often gets on the internet, regardless of how unique a concept it is. Ikaruga is more subtle and puzzle-like, I like it due to its understatedness, although... RSG is a shooter. It sees you fly a space craft, shooting enemies on a 2D plane, it's a shooter A shooter by the very definition of the word.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2008 22:04:13 GMT
I don't think any game is worth £140 as a game - but as something to sell on it's worth what someone will pay.
If buying a £140 game was to stop you buying £140 worth of drink to piss up a wall (which lets face these days isn't hard to do over a weekend) then its maybe not that bad a deal !!
I got mine for £50 from anotherworld (now forbidden planet) but that was a long time ago - 7 or so years ago it must be now.....
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Post by chizzles on Apr 4, 2008 22:20:34 GMT
I can't say I've ever bought £140 worth of drink at a weekend :/
I'm waiting for a less-good condition copy to show up, no spine card, whatever, as long as it's cheaper and working. Until that day, my err... aquired version will serve me well.
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Post by Yart on Apr 5, 2008 4:06:30 GMT
I didn't like Radiant Silvergun that much mainly because the soundtrack was so boring and slow. I actually want to make an image of the game someday, remix all the tracks to fit the shmup genre better (because who can honestly play a high action game with music the equivalent to the Halo soundtrack? BORING!!) and change the .cue file to play those remixed tracks instead. However I'm not sure how legal that would be... but I am just changing the game's content to have my own content, correct? As long as I don't distribute the game but only the sound files it should be fine for anyone else with the actual copy to modify on their own, eh? I could be wrong, but I'd do anything to help me actually enjoy the game!
Radiant Silvergun is a game that I'd pay $30 for. Nothing more. Now if it was like the case with Coryoon and it's overall awesomenes, then I'd have no problem paying even $200.
As far as my Saturn gaming, I've been rocking out with the CD player for the past couple weeks. Just bored of gaming right now. (The Saturn is no exception) Haven't touched a game in a while and actually enjoy it except for maybe that one time earlier today where I played Soldier Blade for five miinutes... but that's not on the Saturn. Oh well. Mainly been drawing.
I'm taking a break from gaming in general. After 16+ years of straight playing you'd think it'd be about time I take a break and actually see what else in life I've been missing out on. I've been thinking about learning ASM and etching some circuit boards and soldering some processors and RAM... and making a small game console of my own... >: )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2008 10:40:19 GMT
I can't say I've ever bought £140 worth of drink at a weekend :/ Its not big or clever but in my 20s I would have spent over £100 in a weekend if silly shooters and cocktails were on the menu - that was 20 years ago - so it wouldn't be a big deal now. A double vodka and red bull would be the guts of £10 is some places.... I don't regret the time and money I wasted over a period of about 10 years or so (I've wised up now due to increased responsibility at work, kids and home ownership) but it is an awful waste of time and money - there are so many other things I should have done..... Anyhow...my copy has no spine card and has some very slight marks on the disc but it plays fine. The manual is in good nick and the registration card is there too. I don't like using continues in shmups but last night I entered arcade mode and credit-fed my way to the end for the first time (!). I think its safe to say that I will never 1CC this game. I used over 50 credits and that was with the game set to very easy The boss battles become incredible later in the game (both design and difficulty-wise!) and there are plenty of sections that have to be learned by rote. I just don't have the talent or time. The colour chaining brought a whole new aspect to shmups and I think it's more sophisticated in RSG than Ikaruga.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2008 10:52:49 GMT
I'm taking a break from gaming in general. After 16+ years of straight playing you'd think it'd be about time I take a break and actually see what else in life I've been missing out on. I've been thinking about learning ASM and etching some circuit boards and soldering some processors and RAM... and making a small game console of my own... >: ) I have always gone through periods of just leaving gaming...I always came back to it. It's only natural. I went through an extended bout in the 80s when the 8bit micro scene just left me cold. I had an Oric1 and CPC464, but the tape loading and general unfriendliness and bad design of the games then felt like a step back from the 2600. Even with its poorer visuals and sounds - it had instant accessibility and great game design. The NES and Super Mario Bros. got me back into it in the early 90s.
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Post by chizzles on Apr 5, 2008 14:02:34 GMT
I didn't like Radiant Silvergun that much mainly because the soundtrack was so boring and slow. I actually want to make an image of the game someday, remix all the tracks to fit the shmup genre better There's nothing wrong with Halo's music, from a musical standpoint, it is better than most supposedly "good" game soundtracks.
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Post by Yart on Apr 5, 2008 17:00:59 GMT
davyk: Unfortunately I'm too young to remember any of that. (1989 = birthyear) Those machines and their games don't sound very pleasant though. I hate loading times. But yeah I know what ya mean. Some people just need a break. I'll come back to it soon. @chizzles: Halo has nice music. It really does. But it's rather unfitting to the genre. ;/ I hate high action scenes with slow and soft "AwwwwwAWWWWWawwwohhhhhhAWWWW" vocals and barely anything else. I have a hard time getting into a game unless the music is upbeat and "fun". Just personal preference though. Whenever I play a game, the music's the first thing I look at. Actually, now that I think about it... yes I even look at it before gameplay. I'll play through a crappy game if the music is awesome. (I guess I just love music. Maybe that's why I loved Metal Slug 5 the most out of the entire series and hated number 4 and 6... actually #4 woulda been a good game if they cut out the zombie and pirate levels, either that, actually put non-boring and action-like music on those levels. Hmm...) Feh. As far as modern gaming goes though, Halo has a better soundtrack than anything not on the Wii. Why? They don't have soundtracks. They have "ambient sounds." Here's an example for ya. Imagine if Sega Rally only had slow and depressing opera music...
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Post by chizzles on Apr 5, 2008 19:12:15 GMT
I think Upbeat music only really fits a situation that is actually up-beat.
If we think about what Halo is actually about, it might not be that fitting...
Aliens destroying earth, not really an up-beat event, the sadness in the music is quite fitting to the atmosphere being set.
If we put up-beat music in the scene where halo breaks in two, it would give it an entirley different atmosphere, and lose the subtlety of the one created already.
@ Davyk - I recently read a youtube user claiming that the Spectrum version of OutRun was better than the Genesis version because the Genesis is "a piece of shit".
I wonder what the logic in, waiting for 3 minutes between levels for the tape to load, is somehow better than full colour graphics and amazing speed...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2008 23:49:55 GMT
I think Upbeat music only really fits a situation that is actually up-beat. @ Davyk - I recently read a youtube user claiming that the Spectrum version of OutRun was better than the Genesis version because the Genesis is "a piece of shit". I wonder what the logic in, waiting for 3 minutes between levels for the tape to load, is somehow better than full colour graphics and amazing speed... Indeed....that youtube guy has seriously thick rose-tinted spectacles on. I love my retro but the UK 8bit micro with tape loading was a bad era. There were some good games released at the time but the media crippled the ideas. Multiload games shouldn't ever have happened - arcade ports were just to big for the platform and games designed specifically for the platform were the best games of that time.
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Post by marc on Apr 6, 2008 15:29:27 GMT
I own RSG and from a player/collectors point of view its an amazing game in absolutley every respect........very deep for a shooter. As for price, I paid £95........worth every penny! Not a game to be played on an emulator though.......generally a poor way to play any Saturn game. Just had a quick blast on: Thunderforce V Souky Kingdom Grandprix Darius Gaiden Vampire Saviour
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Post by sonix on Apr 6, 2008 15:56:09 GMT
Sega Rally and SWS 97. I also started Tomb Raider but only the first level, I already went trough TR like 7 times (not counting playing N-Gage version cause I stopped at "The Cisterns" level) so it's my 8th attempt
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Post by marc on Apr 7, 2008 10:12:58 GMT
Playing Salamander and Salamander 2, Salamander is HARD........posssibly one of the toughest horiz out there.........Sala 2 is also pretty cool, lush graphics and tight gameplay. Having a quick sesh on Sengoko Blaede as well, nuff said.....
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