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Post by grimmythereaper on Apr 15, 2015 22:35:39 GMT
so i know this is a saturn forum but i have to ask this question. what is better, the SF alpha collection on ps2 or the games by them self on saturn? I want to know what runs smoother and has more frames of animation and what gets the closest arcade feel
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Post by grimmythereaper on Apr 18, 2015 22:19:01 GMT
anybody?
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Post by MIK on Apr 19, 2015 10:05:24 GMT
My effort is not worth the read. Last time I played Alpha on PS2 was in an in-store competition at Gamestation, I got 2nd place and blamed the scabby controller as the machine was one of those in a standing PS2 pod ha! To be honest, what I see from memory as I didn't have a PS2 any more at that time it looked much the same as to what I had at home on Saturn. Obviously you can see a lot more sat at home than rather kicking some ones arse standing in a shop with people watching. To me the control pad you prefer is the version your more the likely run with. If you love your fighters and enjoy the Alpha series you want both, just as much as I have Saturn, PS1 & XBOX Ghosts'n Goblins... Sometimes retro gaming is all about comparing and seeing which one you prefer with your own eyes, that's half the fun!
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Post by Oho on Apr 21, 2015 22:41:00 GMT
Depends. If you're looking at cost, the PS2 version is probably better (I'm assuming it's cheaper because just about every console is cheaper than the Saturn). But I would select the Saturn version for no other reason than the controller on the Saturn is better designed for fighters. Plus, on the Saturn it looks really good. You would expect it to for a console that was designed with games EXACTLY like SFA 1, 2 and 3 in mind. It's just that all 3 will cost you a pretty penny.
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Post by grimmythereaper on Apr 24, 2015 15:16:55 GMT
@ Oho I looked up street fighter alpha 3 and was blown away by the price for disc only, but i dont mind saving up some money for a while to be able to buy it, you gotta play one game at time I hope that doesnt sound cocky BC i didnt mean to sound that way
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Post by MIK on Apr 25, 2015 10:52:34 GMT
Just in case... It was brought up only a while ago in, I think some SF Alpha/SF Zero poll thread we had. In short, SFA3 is available for Dreamcast as an alternative if need be. However the only way to get the game to resemble the graphical quality of SFA series on Saturn is to play the game via composite video which forces the DC version to run at 240p. Anything else on DC be it RGB Scart, S-Video or VGA the game looks like an up scaled blocky mess and may put you off playing it just from looks alone... You have been warned.
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Post by grimmythereaper on Apr 25, 2015 16:47:07 GMT
thanks for the heads up mik my dreamcast is only hooked up via vga
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Post by star1 on Apr 25, 2015 17:19:11 GMT
A scanline generator should make the dreamcast a more viable option for SFA III.
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Post by brianseals on May 26, 2015 0:10:10 GMT
As far as cost, the Japanese versions of Alpha One and Two are very affordable. Instead of "Alpha", the series is called "Zero" in Japan. I bought a copy of Zero 2 a few weeks ago. It cost me twenty bucks, US. The cost of Zero 3 on eBay is bonkers right now, and it's not worth moving on, in my opinion. So, if you're more interested in "Alpha 3", go with the PS2 collection. I can't speak to the quality of the games there, but according to the wonderful source that is YouTube, the two versions are indistinguishable, as far as looks. My money is on the Saturn having the better version. That's partly because, from YouTube again, it appears to have the best port of Primal Rage, anywhere on a console. It's also partly because I'm slightly biased [but only slightly ]. Seriously though, even though the PS2 is more up to date technology-wise, as it came a generation later, any six-gen machine, that hopes to emulate so many games on one disc, is probably going to have issues. That said, I'm not willing to drop $140-$240 dollars, on the Saturn version of Alpha 3, just to prove I'm right. Just make sure that if you go for the Japanese Zero 1 and 2 games, you have some way to play them. Use a Japanese Saturn, or buy an Action Replay, or 4-in-1 cartridge, so you can play import games. IMHO, if you're collecting for the Saturn, and you don't have a cheat cartridge, you're making a huge mistake. It's an inexpensive investment, that can save you a boatload of cash.
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Post by MIK on May 26, 2015 10:12:35 GMT
I have a Saturn and a collection including Japanese imports and don't have a cheat cartridge for the simple reason that one of my Saturn's is switched for all regions. Machine looks a lot nicer, more complete with the official memory cartridge plugged in.
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 26, 2015 22:39:43 GMT
I have a Saturn and a collection including Japanese imports and don't have a cheat cartridge for the simple reason that one of my Saturn's is switched for all regions. Machine looks a lot nicer, more complete with the official memory cartridge plugged in. True enough, but, the 4-plus-1 allows you to play ALL the Capcom & SNK titles without the compatibility issues some SNK titles have (i.e. RBFF, SS3 etc) Some SNK titles don't work properly via the 4MB, for example...
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Post by sych on May 27, 2015 8:56:04 GMT
Very true. Plus another huge benefit to the cheat codes on the 4 in 1 on cart is that it seriously adds longevity to all your games. Games which I played to death back in the day, I'm still playing thanks to the 4 in 1. I would always recommend Zero 3 on the Saturn as opposed to on any other system. The Saturn controller is best suited for the Street fighter experience. Any other controller ruins the experience.
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Post by MIK on May 27, 2015 9:11:00 GMT
Checks shelf for Capcom vs SNK on Saturn, none. To be honest I didn't really like the way Capcom were taking the Street Fighter series after Alpha 2, more so with Marvel vs Capcom which believe it or not was one of the reasons I got my Saturn switched in the first placed just to play it... After loosing some interest, it was Alpha 2 and Street Fighter Collection that remain on the self, still to this very day. Different Story on Dreamcast though as I would tell you Capcom vs SNK 2000 is ACE!
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Post by MIK on May 27, 2015 9:33:10 GMT
Very true. Plus another huge benefit to the cheat codes on the 4 in 1 on cart is that it seriously adds longevity to all your games. To most people as with all cheat code devices from back in the day..., it was used mostly as an easy way to plough through a game just to see what was on offer and then on with the next, I've never been that lame as I can play games... and tampering with a game does not really interest me in the slightest even if it extends the life. Nothing worse than playing Ghosts'N Goblins with anything more than 3 lives as it makes the game boring as hell and totally uninteresting. You get more lives as you score any way so plenty to keep you on your toes as is. Most arcade machines were fix to 3 lives so you have to make every life count as that was the challenge, and I still play and think that way today. With so many games and systems to play there is always something else to be had any way. There is no use for a 4-1 in my collection end of... Allowing the use to play something that would be other wise impossible then fine, but there is more than one way of doing that, (games depending of course). Anything else can go jump, not in my machine/s.
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Post by brianseals on May 27, 2015 12:46:49 GMT
MIK: Hey, if you can beat Ghosts N' Goblins on 3 lives, my hat's off to you, 100%. IMO, though the game may be set up, to force you to defeat it with 3 lives only, arcade games are designed to crush you, period. The whole idea is to kick the player off the machine quickly, either to force them to put in another token, or to get them to run out of change, so another sap can step up and donate his cash. The machines are there, to make the arcade owner money, after all. Arcade games simply weren't meant to be beaten in one sitting, or at all, without a big cash investment from the player. The cheating option may make the game boring for you and that's fine, but with that said, if people want to cheat it I think it's okay. In other words, I don't think it compromises the fun of the experience. Beating an arcade game in one go takes a lot of dedication, and most gamers have plenty of titles on the back burner already, so they may not want to dedicate that sort of time. I think cheats offer a very valuable service. Without them, realistically, just a small amount of very good and dedicated players, are going to be able to see the end of these games. As far as I'm concerned, if you own the game it's yours, and you should get as much enjoyment out of that game as you can.
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