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Post by Sonnington on Jul 22, 2015 2:26:03 GMT
Hi guys! I think I signed up for here several years ago looking for help on which types of CD-Rs are best for burning Saturn games on and the community was quite helpful. So I got the Saturn Rhea a few months ago and finally hooked her up over the weekend. It works great! The only thing is I really want to rip my copy of X-Mas NiGHTS and some of my other games. I also need to convert some file formats. So does anyone know of free software to get this done that doesn't contain malware?
PMs are welcome, thanks guys!
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Post by Catch22 on Jul 22, 2015 20:59:56 GMT
I was just gonna make videos on this... IMG Burn, the defacto burner and ripper. Rips to Bin/Cue format. For file conversion, I like just to burn the file to cd, then rip it using IMG Burn. As fas as mediums go. I've never had a problem with even the cheapest of CD-Rs, and it didn't matter on the burn speed either, but I kept it to a max of 12x. Only a few months ago, I thought this was a complicated process just reading about it, but it was as easy as using DVD Decrypter back in the day, and the format is the same. Personally, I use Lightscribe discs. You can get a Lightscribe drive- ones that came out of laptops for $7 shipped, and a slimline SATA USB cable for $6 shipped.
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Post by assman on Jul 23, 2015 0:03:31 GMT
I've read that .cdi rips using DiscJuggler are supposed to work well with the Rhea. I don't think bin/cue rips are supported, so there's no need to go down that road (side note: if you do use ImgBurn, use something like 7-zip to open the installer as an archive, extract 'ImgBurn.exe', and just run the program that way-- you'll avoid the adware crap in the installer that you always seem to get pieces of no matter what).
Look for the other Rhea threads around here; those should help you too.
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Post by Sonnington on Jul 23, 2015 1:00:05 GMT
Thanks for the responses. You're right, assman, it doesn't accept cue/bin. It only accepts CDI, CCD+IMG+SUB, MDS+MDF ISO (games with no audio tracks and homebrew). I'm familiar with the process of converting file formats and ripping cds. I'd just like to be able to find one that's free where I can avoid the malware. I guess I'm stuck with discjuggler.
Catch22, have you ever tried loading your disc images onto a virtual drive and ripping them from the virtual drive? You might be able to save a bit of time and money that way.
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Post by Catch22 on Jul 23, 2015 1:23:22 GMT
I'd just like to be able to find one that's free where I can avoid the malware. I guess I'm stuck with discjuggler. Catch22, have you ever tried loading your disc images onto a virtual drive and ripping them from the virtual drive? You might be able to save a bit of time and money that way. Never had an issue with malware using IMG Burn. I know for certain that the current loader does not have any adware. And yeah, damn, totally forgot about using Daemon Tools. LOL. I have a cake of 100 Imation cd-rs that's wasting away as now I just use Lightscribe ones, so doing it that way got me tunnel sighted as I try and eat away at it. You decided what discs you gonna use? Taiyo-Yudens or cheapos?
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 23, 2015 9:11:27 GMT
DiscJuggler isn't free. There's no malware with either ImgBurn or Daemon as long as you pay attention when installing them. ImgBurn has been reported to make bad copies/rips in some instances, but I don't know what a better alternative is.
For Rhea, DiscJuggler all the way, it's the only thing I found reliable 100% of the time.
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Post by assman on Jul 23, 2015 23:24:05 GMT
There's no malware with either ImgBurn or Daemon as long as you pay attention when installing them. Yeah, there is. Maybe something has changed in the few months since I last tried them, but installing the free version of Daemon Tools while making sure to uncheck all extra offers still installs files flagged by anti-virus/malware programs. ImgBurn always seems to install a DLL used by OpenCandy (again, even when making sure to uncheck all extra offers). Either way, you really don't need to install ImgBurn, so extracting the executable for it is still the safer way to go.
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 24, 2015 9:52:37 GMT
No issues here, OpenCandy isn't terribly difficult to get rid of anyway (adware rather than malware).
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Post by Sonnington on Sept 12, 2015 4:21:42 GMT
To update I finally figured out how to change disk formats properly. I couldn't find free software for it. Alcohol didn't work, DiscJuggler didn't work, and obviously Imgburn didn't work. I even tried following a guide I found online for discjuggler to no avail. The Rhea website even says CDI is the best format to use, but I gave it a try and couldn't get it going. The only thing that worked was CloneCD. I updated the firmware to version 3.4.0 and all my CCD files work now, with only a few exceptions. You don't even need the full version of CloneCD. They give you a trial period with no limit to image size.
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Post by buckoa51 on Sept 12, 2015 9:49:04 GMT
DiscJugger IS the best format to use with Rhea and definitely works. Use the following settings and make sure you use at least DiscJuggler 6:-
Scan gaps/Indexes R-W (CD+G) PQ RAW read
Nice to see CloneCD has been fixed though, that wasn't working at all when I had my review unit.
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Post by Sonnington on Sept 12, 2015 17:02:57 GMT
Ok, I got it to work this time. I definitely used those settings the first time I tried it. Maybe the image was bad or I mistitled the file. Thanks for making me try it again mate! Just curious, what do you mean when you say it's the -best- format? It's simply the most compatible? I'm going to go back and try Bug! and Rayman in CDI now to see if they play any better. So far, it didn't fix the slowdowns in SOTN, I guess that's just inherent to the port though.
I've tested about 150 images so far with only a handful of games that had a problem in CCD. Sometimes I'll get games in MDS and they work fine for the most part too.
Edit Bug! and Rayman didn't work in CDI any better than CCD.
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Post by buckoa51 on Sept 13, 2015 10:12:41 GMT
As far as I know DiscJuggler was the format actually used when developing the unit. CCD/Alcohol support was added basically by reverse engineering image files found out in the wild. That's why (initially at least) CCD/Alcohol produced images that wouldn't work on Rhea at all.
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Post by mahone1985 on Sept 28, 2015 10:55:38 GMT
Hi all, I thought I'd give my 2 cents on this subject, there is a way you can do it all with free software including formats like CCD. Just mount the image in Daemon tools and rip it to bin/cue and burn with ImgBurn. I use racketboy's guide here; www.racketboy.com/retro/hacks/how-to-burn-retro-game-images-with-all-free-softwareSorry if this has already been mentioned, just been skimming through the responses
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Post by buckoa51 on Sept 29, 2015 17:20:55 GMT
I wouldn't do that for Dreamcast games, BIN/CUE doesn't support the unusual layout that Dreamcast games require.
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Post by dragonfrce71 on Jan 11, 2017 10:04:07 GMT
I own several sega saturn Japanese games and want to make backups and region patch into English. I use imgburn and sega region patcher convert to English and games sometimes will not play in my modded sega saturn with pseudo cart. Or sometime the games copy and do not convert to English but stay in Japanese. Any clues as to why? Anyone have steps to help please !
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