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Post by atolm on Jan 14, 2017 23:10:38 GMT
That video puts me off of scalers altogether. It just highlights that all of them have issues, even when you chain in like 3 of them. Your annoyance should be with planned obsolescence. In a perfect world, modern 4K sets would still have the analog inputs that were still common just a decade ago and handle the older signals with care. There wouldn't be a need for all the extra A/V equipment.
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Post by xDerekRx on Jan 15, 2017 12:35:54 GMT
After watching the video, it sounds like, if my TV is decent enough, the OSSC could provide more benefits to my experience. The color that the OSSC produces is very nice. In that video he even shows his friends TV (a vizio model that I think I actually have) handling the OSSC better. So again it almost feels like if you have the right TV that can do some of the leg work, the OSSC is a nice alternative. And the audio issues Im not sure I care about yet.
The OSSC is like 150-170 US with the weak pound which makes it half the cost of the Framemeister. I did see that Micomsoft is doing more runs of these for around $300. And an xrgb mini 2 has to be in the works perhaps? Maybe that's something I should hope/wait for long term.
However the OSSC intrigues me, what are the biggest downsides to it for Saturn if my TV ends up being somewhat cooperative?
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Post by buckoa51 on Jan 15, 2017 13:40:41 GMT
Biggest downside compared to the Mini would be the deinterlacing, although of course OSSCs super fast deinterlacer has way less input lag which can certainly help in fighting games. If the deinterlacer in your TVs pretty good anyway, you can always just use the passthrough mode.
True, not like CRTs don't have issues too though.
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Post by zyrobs on Jan 15, 2017 13:52:12 GMT
That video puts me off of scalers altogether. It just highlights that all of them have issues, even when you chain in like 3 of them. Your annoyance should be with planned obsolescence. In a perfect world, modern 4K sets would still have the analog inputs that were still common just a decade ago and handle the older signals with care. There wouldn't be a need for all the extra A/V equipment. Planned obsolescence is smartphones being designed to break down after a year, not digital TVs being incompatible with 50 year old analog standards.
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Post by atolm on Jan 15, 2017 14:40:13 GMT
Your annoyance should be with planned obsolescence. In a perfect world, modern 4K sets would still have the analog inputs that were still common just a decade ago and handle the older signals with care. There wouldn't be a need for all the extra A/V equipment. Planned obsolescence is smartphones being designed to break down after a year, not digital TVs being incompatible with 50 year old analog standards. Pretty sure 720P and 1080i over component wasn't 50 years ago.
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Post by zyrobs on Jan 15, 2017 14:50:57 GMT
Planned obsolescence is smartphones being designed to break down after a year, not digital TVs being incompatible with 50 year old analog standards. Pretty sure 720P and 1080i over component wasn't 50 years ago. 720p and 1080i are digital television standards, not analog tv standards.
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Post by atolm on Jan 15, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
Pretty sure 720P and 1080i over component wasn't 50 years ago. 720p and 1080i are digital television standards, not analog tv standards. Sure, but there's equipment made within the last decade that output those signals over component. New 4K tv's are dropping those inputs. If I wanted to plug a Wii up to a samsung 8500 series, I'd need a framemeister or something similar.
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Post by xDerekRx on Mar 24, 2017 11:02:00 GMT
Just got the email about the OSSC being back in stock. Decided to give one a try.
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Post by davyk on Mar 24, 2017 12:37:03 GMT
That video puts me off of scalers altogether. It just highlights that all of them have issues, even when you chain in like 3 of them. Your annoyance should be with planned obsolescence. In a perfect world, modern 4K sets would still have the analog inputs that were still common just a decade ago and handle the older signals with care. There wouldn't be a need for all the extra A/V equipment. That's perhaps a bit unfair. Digital TVs are fundamentally different pieces of technology. The only console I have significant issues with on a modern TV is the N64. It doesn't have the cleanest image at the best of times (though using s-video does help an awful lot) but pushing it through a modern TV with a bigger screen size makes matters worse. At the end of the day leaving out tech that only a small number of people will use ensures modern TVs are affordable. Not many people play retro consoles and an awful lot of those who do don't seem all that interested in image quality going by the number of youtube videos made by people who don't even bother to record retro game footage at 4:3 aspect ratio. I'm holding onto my CRT as long as possible though. Maybe by the time I have to abandon CRT (and I hope that is a long time), scalers will have improved a bit more
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Post by dandy on Mar 25, 2017 1:21:23 GMT
Is the drop in support for old inputs and signals about saving money or about controlling your experience with it?
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Post by atolm on Mar 26, 2017 5:01:30 GMT
Is the drop in support for old inputs and signals about saving money or about controlling your experience with it? Saving money on production. A manufacturer isn't going to keep adding connections most folks aren't going to use.
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Post by nevermind on Mar 26, 2017 15:04:03 GMT
You guys should consider buying UK tvs on ebay as nearly all of the new tvs have a scart port as well as component and hdmi
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Post by buckoa51 on Mar 26, 2017 15:25:28 GMT
Why bother though, the HDTV's SCART port makes retro consoles look terrible, and HDMI DVD players have been around for years now.
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Post by atolm on Mar 26, 2017 20:40:27 GMT
You guys should consider buying UK tvs on ebay as nearly all of the new tvs have a scart port as well as component and hdmi ehhhh, no Get a quality upscaler, you'll have the choice of any display.
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Post by HennessySlick on Mar 27, 2017 13:04:56 GMT
You guys should consider buying UK tvs on ebay as nearly all of the new tvs have a scart port as well as component and hdmi As much as I love the SCART connection, it doesn't look good on HDTVs as a general rule. Even one of the cheap HDMI upscalers from Amazon will put pure SCART on HDTV to shame. If you haven't done so already, buy one and see for yourself. I played Nights with it, thought it was nothing special. Then I removed the upscaler from the chain and just plugged the SCART straight in - the difference was huge. And that's from a cheap scaler - just think what the likes of OSSC would do!
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