Simple Saturn Game Hack

[superdeadite]

Wow what a shit fest this tread has turned into.

Dear 17daysolderthannes: Feel free to do whatever you want with your magic iphone. Anyway you are way out of control here. We encourage debates, but you are not debating. You are acting like a spoiled little kid. A debate requires RESPECT. You will respect the other members here, or you can leave. You have been warned.

Calling someone a fucktard because they don't play games on a frigging phone? LOfuckingL! Personally I think the iphone would make a nice ashtray (too bad I don't smoke).

Courtousy of Yart, Mr. Michealangelo'09


Now please get back on topic, I really hate having to lock threads.

[rossi46]

Oof! I come back from holiday and I'm frantically searching for the net-speak acronism for 'your post is too long - didn't bother reading it' already.

any help?

[Snowcat.]

Jul 19, 2009 15:25:23 GMT rossi46 said:

Oof! I come back from holiday and I'm frantically searching for the net-speak acronism for 'your post is too long - didn't bother reading it' already.

any help?

I believe the Acronym you are searching for is

tl;dr

[rossi46]

LOL that's the one! ;D

[17daysolderthannes]

Jul 19, 2009 13:17:16 GMT Snowcat. said:

LOL! so anyone who uses the iphone as a phone only is a fucknut?, you make me laugh.

A phone is a phone is a phone and makes phone calls OMG! DONT USE YOUR PHONE TO MAKE PHONE CALLS FUCKTARDS!
just because it does other things doesnt mean its that thing
:/ My phone has a camera.... dont make it a camera, still a phone, I have a camera to take photos.

Yes, someone who spends $200 and $30 extra a month JUST to make calls is a complete goddamn retard. If you're just going to make calls, get the free phone and pay the cheapest monthly plan. I hate people that buy the iPhone just for phone calls the same way I hate Corvette owners that drive 10 miles under the speed limit and never take it to a autocross/track/drag strip or even partake in spirited driving on some backroads. If you're going to drive like a grandma, buy a luxury car. I despise people that buy things simply to show off in all facets of life, so its no different here.

Regardless, the real point I was making is that you can't fully appreciate what the iPhone has to offer if it was presented to you by someone that doesn't know how to take advantage of it. This doesn't even mean just games, there are so many features of the iPhone its fucking staggering.

This is what a typical day goes like now that I have my iPhone:

-I get woken up at exactly 8 AM without having to set an alarm (I have it set to automatically go off Monday->Friday) and am awakened to a custom ringtone I made myself for free in iTunes (very easy to do, check youtube for an instructional video)

-I go to my car, put the iPhone in its car mount and plug in my FM Transmitter and jam to whatever music I want to on the way to work while simultaneously charging the phone if need be. If I'm not feeling music, I can choose a podcast instead. I can set my subscription preferences in iTunes and just sync for literally 1 minute or less every night. This also backs up my contacts and all of my other custom options.

-If I need to stop by an unfamiliar place, I fire up the Google Maps GPS and have it map a route and follow my car step by step with proper directional adjustments. Google Maps GPS even has an option to do a hybrid map that has real satellite photos of the topography. Even better, I can push the orange icon on the destination to get a ground-level view that I can rotate 360 degrees in any direction so I know what my destination looks like.

-Once I get to work, I can check my e-mail before my computer is even started and see if there's anything I need to take care of right off the bat. This is also nice to get around texting charges if your friends have iPhones as well (or any smartphone).

-If I need to double check a fact when I'm away from a computer, I fire up Safari and google search. I can even check this forum in the middle of the woods if I want to. I'm one of those people that wake up in the middle of the night and can't remember the name of something and it drives me insane. With the iPhone, I can answer my question and rest easy, lol.

-If I need to make note of something, I can type it in the Notes app, put it in my Calenders and have it pop up with an alert when it becomes relevant, or make a voice recording of it.

-With AirSharing Pro, I can add PDFs, Word Documents, Excel, PowerPoint, etc. etc. should I need to do so and can also bypass iTunes sync if I want to add movies/music without them being in my iTunes already. All it takes is a computer connected to Wi-Fi to transmit files. I can even e-mail the files or print them straight from this app.

-Recently my company was testing a new oilfield tool (its an oilfield engineering company) and I took all photos and video with my iPhone and edited it with iMovie. So far everyone has been astounded by the quality.

-When I get home for the day, I play whatever game I feel like at the touch of a button while I watch TV and wait to go to dinner, go skateboarding, or whatever else I may be doing that night.

-When the weekend comes, I can go out to the bars early and get a good parking spot and sit in my car and listen to the Adam Carolla podcast while I drink my pre-game drink and wait for my friends to arrive

-While I'm at the bar(s), if I see a girl I know that I'm interested in I can check my Facebook or Myspace app to see if she's single so I know if I'm wasting my time or not. If something funny happens to go down, I have a camera right in my pocket that can focus and adjust to even dim light in a matter of seconds. I can literally have my iPhone out of my pocket and ready to snap a photo in about 5 seconds.

-If I want to see a movie, I can look up times and watch trailers and even buy tickets with certain apps (though I don't do that personally)

-If I want to see what my car runs in the 1/4 mile, I just boot up G-Tac free and make a run (on a closed course of course )

-If I go on vacation, I can play games on the iPhone in the car, on a plane, on the subway (which I'll surely do when I go visit my sister next month). I can find anywhere I need to go with car, foot, or public transit directions generated by google maps.

So you see, the gaming functions of the iPhone are just a tiny part of what it has to offer. When this device can do all of that, simply making phone calls and texting is a complete waste. Other smartphones may offer similar features on paper, but in practice they are buggy and the interface is extremely clumsy. The iPhone, on the other hand, is probably the best sorted device I have ever used.

Jul 19, 2009 13:17:16 GMT Snowcat. said:

I never said the iPhone was better than a console, I said better than current handhelds. A console is a full-size beast
for playing games at home, not a portable "make do" device. I'm not comparing the iPhone to a PS3. Much of this has to
do with a slant from features/convenience others can't offer."


¬_¬ JESUS H CHRIST! I know what you said I CAN READ. I LIKE CAPITALS TOO. I know you said handhelds im apologise
for not having time to review the post and type "handhelds" before a word.... i had to go visit my sick grandfather.

also I HAVE PLAYED some of the games on your list stop telling me to watch game play and play them.


Also, If i honestly cared about "inferiority" would I be playing a Sega Saturn? wouldn't I have moved on to a more
"superior" console like the 360 or PS3.

This, is the most retarded thing I have ever seen. Yes im angry, this made me more angry.

Also

" I've already had this discussion (argument) on another forum and it basically ended up with every naysayer putting their fingers in their ears and going "la la la can't hear you la la la,"

THATS WHAT YOUR DOING NOW!

No, that's not what I'm doing now. You're sticking your fingers in YOUR ears. You and the other guy are still making claims that obviously show you haven't spent enough time with an iPhone to really assess it and are just assuming everything. Fingerprints do not show up for shit, anyone with a 3GS can vouch for that. Pin-point precision is not necessary in ANYTHING on the iPhone, the only thing that would suffer is drawing, but why on earth would you want to do that on an iPhone? Even still, its 1000x better than a standard laptop touchpad.

I already said I have a modded PSP, I know of plenty of sites that I can get ANY PSP game FOR FREE (illegally, but anyway) and I STILL prefer the iphone. In fact, most of what I use my PSP for is to make EBOOTs out of PSX ISOs because the PSP has the best PSX emulator around and you can plug it into a TV and play it with near perfect accuracy. Fighting games suck on every handheld out there, there's only a handful of controllers that make playing them worthwhile. To play a fighting game, you either need a Genesis 6-button, a Saturn pad, a Street Fighter pad (PS2/XBOX/etc), or a proper arcade joystick. I would rather do without if I can't have those controls.

Don't jump in spouting what you think about a device you haven't or have barely used. Someone asked a question about the game, another asked me to pitch the device, and I did, don't talk about what you don't have a clue about and then say I'M the one being stubborn. I have 657 games across a multitude of systems (NES, SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, 32X, Playstation, Saturn, Dreamcast, Playstation 2, XBOX, Wii, Game Gear, Game Boy, N64, N-Gage QD, maybe more I'm forgetting) and I'm telling you the iPhone is the best thing going for portable games, if for no other reason than convenience factor. The iPhone even has PS2 ports, I have a game called ExZeus that was originally for PS2, and no one has made a 3GS exclusive game yet, so who knows what the potential really is. Until you have exhaustively searched the iTunes App store, downloaded some free "Lite" versions of the games I've listed and others you find interesting, and put them on a friend's iPhone and play them each for a substantial amount of time, you have no business in dismissing my claims that it is an outstanding portable game platform.

Oh, and I would like to add Siberian Strike to the list of badass iPhone games, its probably one of the best 1942/43/44-style vertical shooters I've ever played, and its 99¢.

[17daysolderthannes]

Jul 19, 2009 15:14:16 GMT superdeadite said:

Wow what a shit fest this tread has turned into.

Dear 17daysolderthannes: Feel free to do whatever you want with your magic iphone. Anyway you are way out of control here. We encourage debates, but you are not debating. You are acting like a spoiled little kid. A debate requires RESPECT. You will respect the other members here, or you can leave. You have been warned.

Calling someone a fucktard because they don't play games on a frigging phone? LOfuckingL! Personally I think the iphone would make a nice ashtray (too bad I don't smoke).

Now please get back on topic, I really hate having to lock threads.

First of all, your language is VERY unbecoming of a moderator, what are you, 12?

I didn't call anyone here a fucktard, I called people that buy iPhones just to show off and don't know how to use them fucktards. If people want respect, they can give it to me first. Go back and look at my initial posts. I was friendly as can be until people started going "LMFAO WHAT A DUMBASS HE THINKS THE IPHONE IS A GOOD GAME SYSTEM YEAH RIGHT!" If you still think I'M the one that started the shit storm, I'm speechless.

It's also very obvious you have no respect for what the iPhone is or does, and I'm not even stretching far to imagine you don't have significant experience with one. Don't knock what you haven't tried. For the millionth time, I own a PSP, 2 in fact, a 1000 and a 2000, both modded, both capable of bootlegging every game a PSP will play, and I STILL would rather play the iPhone games from the App store, they're that good. The only people that are acting like spoiled little brats are the ones that have never used an iPhone and somehow think they are experts on it. Someone asked how Pandemonium was, I said it was great and listed some other good games to try. I happened to close saying I PERSONALLY FOUND IT BETTER THAN A PSP AND DS and everyone felt it necessary to throw the topic at hand out the window to just shit all over that statement. If that statement was that big of a deal, say "hey, lets start a new thread discussing the iPhone as a game system, I'd like to hear what you have to say." Then, when someone asked me to pitch it to them like an Apple salesman, I did. Still, no one wanted to accept anything I was saying. Why the fuck ask me to pitch something to you if you aren't going to listen? I have a PSP, I know what it can do, you DON'T have an iPhone, so let ME fill in the gaps in your knowledge, don't make assumptions out of air and claim them as fact. If you don't like the fact that it doesn't have buttons and can't get past that (and trust me, if you played it enough you would), then don't buy one, why do you need to voice that all over a thread about putting Sonic in Pandemonium?

Even the main topic didn't get relevant posts. Most people just said how they didn't find it necessary or relevant. Thats fanfuckingtastic, if you feel that way, don't play it if it ever gets made. If someone likes the idea, then THEY can help make it a reality. If no one wants to support it, then I'll just have to miss out on what I feel could've been a good thing. So far, no one has made a post relevant to the technical implications (which is what I was gunning for) beyond talking about collision boxes and what Sonic would look like running. That is nowhere near talking about the difficulty of actually coding these things.

I have every right to be irate about this thread, I've been defending myself since the first post when I never asked anyone how they felt about the iPhone or how well Sonic would fit in Pandemonium. If you don't like the idea, move on to the next thread, if I wanted to know how everyone felt, I would've made it a poll. I've about had it with internet forums altogether, all it is is people shitting all over the original post. For every one positive, relevant post, there are 20 trolling shit posts. Now I know why all of these people end up on internet forums: they'd get their ass kicked if it was real life.

[Yart]

K the iPhone can do a buncha stuff. So can my PC and laptop and any other phone. Everyone's got preferences. Whatever.

Now, can we all just shut the hell up and get back on topic? Or at least take this to PMing?

EDIT: I have to make one comment:

The bottom line is that I think all of you are hating on the iPhone because you don't want to accept that it may be a better purchase than your DS or PSP as a gaming platform and I would also bet that most of you haven't played one near enough to make a true assessment of it.

It can be a great system, but not every kid is gonna have a phone. Kids like the DS because it's geared towards ... well... kids.

Also the iPhone came out much later. Of course it'll be superior. That's like saying "Why buy a NES when you can buy a 360?"

Nintendo sees the things you've pointed out and made a DSi. (It has a camera and stuff)


As for myself, I'm only hating on it because I'm tired of people constantly ranting on about it. :/ My dad recently left my mom because he loved it so much. (I kid you not. We've got some serious issues on my end)



Anyways, to put a Sonic model into Pandemonium, you'd have to also convert it to a format the iPhone version will read, would you not? Especially since the Saturn used four points for it's polygons and the iPhone probably uses the standard three. You would probably have to remodel the character. Animating them would also take time, or replacing the current keyframes with the new one like rearranging stuff... I dunno.

I think it can be done, but I think this is the wrong place to ask "how" since not many people here do hacking or coding.

[17daysolderthannes]

Jul 20, 2009 0:18:32 GMT Yart said:

K the iPhone can do a buncha stuff. So can my PC and laptop and any other phone. Everyone's got preferences. Whatever.

Now, can we all just shut the hell up and get back on topic? Or at least take this to PMing?

there's not much left to say unless someone knows how to program Saturn games. If there isn't, this thread might as well have been closed after the first post with a moderator saying "no one here knows how to code Saturn games, maybe try *this site*"

I was trying to do everyone a favor by pointing out what a life changing experience it is to own an iPhone (I know that sounds cheesy, but its true) because most people don't know how to use it to its full potential, but everyone wanted to spin it into "look how cool I am, I have an iPhone, your PSP is stupid, fag, cell phones that only make calls are for fags." At least thats how those responses made it seem. If you are too stubborn to even TRY an iPhone from an unbiased viewpoint, then there's no point in even discussing it. Did anyone really think they were going to convert me BACK to PSP when I've had the thing for close to a year now and have played every game I'm interested in on it? I made my case as best as I can, if you want to take it, great, if you still don't trust my words, read reviews somewhere else or just stick to what you have.

[Yart]

To 17daysolderthannes's defense: He was being nice about it before Chizzles called it a touch-crap.

People asked him about iPhone stuff.

Please remember that your preference is not an established fact.

Before this was said, he never said it was fact and only wanted an opinion.

To everyone else's defense: They expressed their opinions even when they tried the iPhone but 17daysolderthannes continued to push.

My personal opinion: 17daysolderthannes is just like me. I get obsessed about things and try to promote them hardcorely too taking that from my dad. I know how it is so please be easier on the guy. It's not a very good personality issue and I've lost friends to it before even if I meant good.



I think we got some serious miscommunication here. No finger pointing here. I think we got everyone to blame, and we should all try re-reading everything we posted and correct things now before it gets uglier.

[17daysolderthannes]

Jul 20, 2009 0:18:32 GMT Yart said:

EDIT: I have to make one comment:

The bottom line is that I think all of you are hating on the iPhone because you don't want to accept that it may be a better purchase than your DS or PSP as a gaming platform and I would also bet that most of you haven't played one near enough to make a true assessment of it.

It can be a great system, but not every kid is gonna have a phone. Kids like the DS because it's geared towards ... well... kids.

Also the iPhone came out much later. Of course it'll be superior. That's like saying "Why buy a NES when you can buy a 360?"

Nintendo sees the things you've pointed out and made a DSi. (It has a camera and stuff)


As for myself, I'm only hating on it because I'm tired of people constantly ranting on about it. :/ My dad recently left my mom because he loved it so much. (I kid you not. We've got some serious issues on my end)



Anyways, to put a Sonic model into Pandemonium, you'd have to also convert it to a format the iPhone version will read, would you not? Especially since the Saturn used four points for it's polygons and the iPhone probably uses the standard three. You would probably have to remodel the character. Animating them would also take time, or replacing the current keyframes with the new one like rearranging stuff... I dunno.

I think it can be done, but I think this is the wrong place to ask "how" since not many people here do hacking or coding.

This just further shows that no one even read my initial posts, just singled out the DS/PSP comment and went to flaming. I was suggesting putting it in the SATURN version, not the iPhone version, though that might actually be more feasible in reality since the development tools are available and the iPhone version was probably reprogrammed from scratch.

I don't buy that your dad left your mom over the iPhone, lol. No, its called your parents weren't getting along and that was problem #245234623456 out of 24523562356290. No reasonable people that loved each other and wanted to stay in a relationship would suddenly break up over an iPhone, sorry, but that's just retarded.

Also, I'm not talking about kids, I'm talking about people of driving age that have jobs. I guess I assume people on these forums are always 20 and up when that's not always the case. For a 10 year old, a DS is fine, but a camera on a DS is stupid because I'm not going to bring the DS with me every time I leave the house, whereas I will bring my iPhone. People rant on about the iPhone because it really is just that good. Literally all but one person at the engineering company I work for have an iPhone, even the owner's 8 year old son has one, lol (he gave him the 1st gen when he upgraded to 3G). Apple did a ridiculously good job with the iPhone and they deserve a standing ovation for it, its probably the most groundbreaking enhancement to technology I've ever come across from an end user perspective.

edit: thanks for recognizing that I wasn't the only guilty party in this thread getting out of hand.

[rossi46]

So how long have you been working for Apple?

[Yart]

No reasonable people that loved each other and wanted to stay in a relationship would suddenly break up over an iPhone, sorry, but that's just retarded.

:/ Welcome to Earth, home of the retards.

[superdeadite]

Wow this guy really has no sense of humor does he? Now I'm pissed. Do you really expect a serious response from us after such rants? Your an iphone lover, that's fine. You can use it for work, games, a masturbatory aid, NOBODY CARES. If someone wants to buy an iphone and do nothing with it but make calls, it's their choice, not yours. This is what I meant by respect.

My Hitachi Woo H001 is the world's first phone to feature a full WVGA screen. Meaning it can project real 3D images without any special glasses. It's my phone's selling point. Do I use this feature? No. My phone can display 1seg TV. Do I use it? No. My phone has tons of functions that I don't use, so I guess I'm a fucktard.

Anyway this topic is finished. Feel free to PM me anytime.