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Post by ninju on Nov 22, 2011 23:19:58 GMT
Is it possible we create a list with the best version of saturn games?mostly between PAL/NTSC.
The list will describe good and bad for each region so we know what version is better to play.for example if an NTSC game is much faster with full screen but has slowdown i will prefer the Pal verion if is slower with no slowdown.
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Post by zyrobs on Nov 22, 2011 23:30:06 GMT
Of course it's possible, you just have to 200-300 games twice.
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Post by ninju on Nov 22, 2011 23:31:57 GMT
Of course it's possible, you just have to 200-300 games twice. hahahah not a difficult job with a modded saturn and isos..
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Post by Aydan on Nov 22, 2011 23:42:44 GMT
It's an okay idea but lets face it, the US versions are better than JP and PAL (within reason) simply because bugs from the JP editions are fixed (again within reason), and they run in full screen and full speed. the only thing pal had better was maybe a few more bugs fixed from any other ntsc releases (none significant i even know of anyway) and shinobi x has better music than shinobi legions. thats it. end of. good night
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Post by ninju on Nov 22, 2011 23:58:43 GMT
It's an okay idea but lets face it, the US versions are better than JP and PAL (within reason) simply because bugs from the JP editions are fixed (again within reason), and they run in full screen and full speed. the only thing pal had better was maybe a few more bugs fixed from any other ntsc releases (none significant i even know of anyway) and shinobi x has better music than shinobi legions. thats it. end of. good night ahahah your message has something funny in it!relax i like US games because of full screen and speed,but what you are saying i don't think that applies to all games.and also i can prove you all that PAL games do have better colors and resolution that matters.when i have my equipement i will post pictures so you people see the difference,and then you can make your choises
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Post by Aydan on Nov 23, 2011 0:06:03 GMT
but whats so special about a few extra lines on a tv when it's windowed and bordered anyway? I've played pal saturn since 1996. I only got a JP saturn tthis very year, and I can tell you I find the NTSC to look a million times better. It's pretty stupiud that people go into so much detail between a colour and a few extra pixels. I mean there are bugs in games between regiosn which is interesting to note for sure , I agree, but going into detail about colour and whatever is just pointless.
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Post by buckoa51 on Nov 23, 2011 0:14:04 GMT
I look forward to you proving this, especially the part about colours, which is completely false if you're using RGB.
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Post by Aydan on Nov 23, 2011 0:17:29 GMT
^^^ i remember reading about that, if you use RGB scart then there is NO difference between colours at all. This probably helps with my point about me never noticing differences. Again I read pal has a vew extra lines of pixels in resolution but with the pal versions having borders, even the optimised ones, i don't see how it makes pal better when ntsc is full screen anyway? Bleh.
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Post by buckoa51 on Nov 23, 2011 0:30:50 GMT
Correct, the only difference then is the sync (from the composite video) which very rarely makes a difference unless you have an XRGB or something. I doubt there's any Saturn games that are written to use the full PAL resolution, it would make the conversion to NTSC more difficult and not achieve any meaningful difference in image quality. The Saturns VPU supports 320x256 in PAL, compared to 320x240 in NTSC, so not exactly a big difference in resolution.
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Post by ninju on Nov 23, 2011 0:34:44 GMT
I look forward to you proving this, especially the part about colours, which is completely false if you're using RGB. Am using RGB and it does have difference.I heard that again before and am thinking if i am the only one noticing the differences.A good example is my topic with pandemonium frame rate were i noticed that the version of the video is much better than the PAL and NTSC game and although many agreed that they saw no difference on there system i proved correct.Go and read it yourself
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Post by Aydan on Nov 23, 2011 0:34:49 GMT
an extra 16 pixels in borders? wouldn't they be squished so you wouoldn't even notice to the point it would look worse? I dunno, as far as I'm concerned NTSC always looks and runs superior in every way since it's how it was intended to be played and was programmed.
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Post by Syntesis on Nov 23, 2011 0:47:09 GMT
I am pretty sure RGB SCART has no PAL/NTSC encoding. That's why you can plug an import console into a TV that isn't NTSC compatible via RGB SCART and still have it display in colour.
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Post by ninju on Nov 23, 2011 0:53:35 GMT
This is not a war i do prefer the speed and full screen of NTSC games but When i compare them there is difference in colors and resolution that make graphics better and in a comparison with PSX vs Saturn that will count.
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Post by Aydan on Nov 23, 2011 1:00:16 GMT
there is NO differecne when using RGB. This is factual. If people don't use RGB then you're already getting sub par image quality so why does it matter between regions? As for 16 squashed borderd pixels, how does it make it look better? I'm genuinely curious, not flaming or baiting.
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Post by zyrobs on Nov 23, 2011 5:49:29 GMT
PAL games have better colors because the PAL standard has better colors to begin with. But if you use RGB, there won't be a difference, since RGB does not use neither PAL nor NTSC color encoding... it doesn't use any color encoding, it sends in red, green, and blue pixels straight. You have to play each game to absolute death to be able to tell which one is better or worse, and even then you can't be objective about it since sometimes the changes come down to personal preverence. Some USA versions have faults like skipping at the beginning of the audio (a lot of USA releases suffer from this). Some games have extra audio tracks in the PAL version (Baku Baku), some have different voice acting (Toshinden, I think), or sometimes different music altogether (Cyber Speedway, or for a non-saturn example, Sonic CD). Again some games may have small graphical changes too, like Streets of Rage 2 (don't remember any Saturn examples of this). You can't even list which one is "better", cause someone may think that the ntsc versions gameplay / music / voice / graphics are better, while others may prefer the PAL versions. Yeah, I'm stating very wild differences, most games only have small edits in them. But still: good luck trying to make a full list of all of those for ~300 games. Correct, the only difference then is the sync (from the composite video) which very rarely makes a difference unless you have an XRGB or something. I doubt there's any Saturn games that are written to use the full PAL resolution, it would make the conversion to NTSC more difficult and not achieve any meaningful difference in image quality. The Saturns VPU supports 320x256 in PAL, compared to 320x240 in NTSC, so not exactly a big difference in resolution. Remember that you still have every odd scanline there, so it's actually 512 lines vertical resolution, on games that run in PAL mode.
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