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Post by bradcap1 on Jul 23, 2015 15:26:47 GMT
No need to own Virtua Cop or Panzer Dragoon? Seriously? Both games are classics and VC destroys the pile of shit that is House of the Dead.
I would agree on Hang On being better than Manx TT.
And, Winter Heat is the better game by far imo when comparing the Athlete Kings (Decathlete).
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Post by sych on Jul 23, 2015 17:35:34 GMT
No need to own Virtua Cop or Panzer Dragoon? Seriously? Both games are classics and VC destroys the pile of shit that is House of the Dead. I would agree on Hang On being better than Manx TT. And, Winter Heat is the better game by far imo when comparing the Athlete Kings (Decathlete). Of course Virtua Cop and Panzer Dragoon are classics but that doesn't make them void of redundancy. If you own Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Virtua Cop 2 why would you bother owning the originals? What are those earlier games offering that you can't get in the much bigger and better sequels? The Bust-A-Moves series are all good games in their own right but is it necessary to own all 3? With the amount of undiscovered gems on the Saturn why would you bog yourself down with inferior versions in a franchise? Which is why HotD is more relevant than the original VC despite its flaws.
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Post by sych on Jul 23, 2015 18:03:31 GMT
Marvel Super Heroes - PS1 ( > SAT version - runs better **controversial** ) I've played both versions extensively (my favourite fighter on the fifth generation) and the only advantage the PS1 version has is being able to play as Apocalypse, other than that the Saturn version blows the PS1 version out of the water. Not only the PS1 versions has less animations frames you also can't change characters during the fight and you're forced to fight both round with the same character (the only moment you can change is during the loading screen), not to mention the fact that altough I love the dualshock, the Saturn Pad is much better for fighting games. But the PS1 version is still very competent, and I only noticed how lacking it was when I got the Saturn one, before that I was perfectly happy with it. I believe NeoGeoNinja is referring to MSH not MSHvs SF which is what you're referring to.
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Jul 23, 2015 18:06:33 GMT
Hang On GP '96 ( > Hang on GP '95 and MANX TT ) Better than Manx TT? Seriously? And are you sure there's any difference between Hang-On GP '95 and '96? I've been under the impression that they are the exact same game. It just wasn't released in Europe until '96, so they changed the name. Yes. Hang On GP 96 on Saturn is BETTER than Manx TT on Saturn. I prefer the handling in Hang On. More tracks. Less horrendously obnoxious AI that cheat and rubberband you into a cheap loss. Haven't played Saturn Mode so can't comment on longevity etc. Yes. There's a difference between GP 96 & GP 95. They fixed an issue in 96 which meant you could turn powersliding on, or more importantly, off. Without the option to turn off the powersliding, imo, the original/95 is much, much less playable.
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Jul 23, 2015 18:08:03 GMT
Marvel Super Heroes - PS1 ( > SAT version - runs better **controversial** ) I've played both versions extensively (my favourite fighter on the fifth generation) and the only advantage the PS1 version has is being able to play as Apocalypse, other than that the Saturn version blows the PS1 version out of the water. Not only the PS1 versions has less animations frames you also can't change characters during the fight and you're forced to fight both round with the same character (the only moment you can change is during the loading screen), not to mention the fact that altough I love the dualshock, the Saturn Pad is much better for fighting games. But the PS1 version is still very competent, and I only noticed how lacking it was when I got the Saturn one, before that I was perfectly happy with it. Yep. Like Sych said above, you've definitely confused the original MSH with the rather fantastic MSHvsSF, which I pretty much agree with you, is easily one of the top fighters for the system alongside SFZ3.
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Post by bradcap1 on Jul 23, 2015 19:22:56 GMT
No need to own Virtua Cop or Panzer Dragoon? Seriously? Both games are classics and VC destroys the pile of shit that is House of the Dead. I would agree on Hang On being better than Manx TT. And, Winter Heat is the better game by far imo when comparing the Athlete Kings (Decathlete). Of course Virtua Cop and Panzer Dragoon are classics but that doesn't make them void of redundancy. If you own Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Virtua Cop 2 why would you bother owning the originals? What are those earlier games offering that you can't get in the much bigger and better sequels? The Bust-A-Moves series are all good games in their own right but is it necessary to own all 3? With the amount of undiscovered gems on the Saturn why would you bog yourself down with inferior versions in a franchise? Which is why HotD is more relevant than the original VC despite its flaws. Nope. That's really all I need to say here.
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Post by akumajobelmont on Jul 24, 2015 3:46:30 GMT
No need to own Virtua Cop or Panzer Dragoon? Seriously? Both games are classics and VC destroys the pile of shit that is House of the Dead. I would agree on Hang On being better than Manx TT. And, Winter Heat is the better game by far imo when comparing the Athlete Kings (Decathlete). Of course Virtua Cop and Panzer Dragoon are classics but that doesn't make them void of redundancy. If you own Panzer Dragoon Zwei and Virtua Cop 2 why would you bother owning the originals? What are those earlier games offering that you can't get in the much bigger and better sequels? The Bust-A-Moves series are all good games in their own right but is it necessary to own all 3? With the amount of undiscovered gems on the Saturn why would you bog yourself down with inferior versions in a franchise? Which is why HotD is more relevant than the original VC despite its flaws. This whole redundancy thing seems to go on gameplay evolution and the like. I go for originals because they still offer stuff unique to them, like soundtracks, visuals and vibes. I will buy a game for the soundtrack, that makes it worth owning for me. Like WipEout - I know that 2097/XL is a superior sequel, but the sheer atmosphere of the first, it's vibes and OST make it a must have for me, as a WipEout fan. Same with Virtua Cop and Panzer Dragoon. If you're only after the core gameplay, then yeah, I'll concede you go for the most polished and refined iteration of a franchise. That's not why I collect for the Saturn though, games I love have my ideal mix of visuals, gameplay mechanics, music and nostalgia - I couldn't skip or slight a good iteration of a franchise just because the sequel did what sequels are supposed to and build on what came before.
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Post by tempest on Jul 24, 2015 6:21:59 GMT
Daytona USA and Daytona USA Championship Circuit Edition are different games to be honest. One plays and looks like the coin-op, albeit with a shoddy frame rate and too much pop-up, and the other contains the Daytona USA circuits in a game that play differently. If you like racing games, both are worth owning. If you only want one, my preference is for CCE. As for CE, dtss, it's not that big a leap over CCE. The graphics are a little sharper, the game plays a closer to the coin-op but still isn't exact, and it has some minor extra options.
I agree that Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter Remix, and Virtua Fighter Kids are redundant titles next to the far superior Virtua Fighter 2. Where I disagree, however, is that Fighters Megamix is better than Fighting Vipers and VF2. To me VF2 and FV are the superior games because their gameplay is balanced and polished. FMM, on the other hand, is an unbalanced game with cheap A.I.. The only way I would recommend FMM over FV and VF2 is if you don't like fighting games or have never played a Virtua Fighter game because it's a good introduction to the series.
Panzer Dragoon and Panzer Dragoon II Zwei are both worth owning because they are part of a story-based game series. Based purely on gameplay, however, Zwei is easily the superior title. Being the prequel, it's also the best place to begin in the series.
Likewise Virtua Cop and Virtua Cop 2 are both worth owning because they are the Saturn's best light gun shooters. VC2 is definitely the better game. Saturn House of the Dead and any other light gun games on the system don't even come close.
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Post by tempest on Jul 24, 2015 6:26:09 GMT
Street Fighter Alpha 2> Street Fighter Zero 3 X-Men Vs Street Fighter> Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter X-Men: Children of the Atom> Marvel Super Heroes
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Post by tempest on Jul 24, 2015 6:32:46 GMT
Clockwork Knight 2 ( > Clockwork Knight ) // Presumably Personally I prefer the original Clockwork Knight over it's sequel but since they are both different parts of the same game, both are both owning. Croc: Legend of the Gobbos - PS1 ( > SAT version ) Really? While the PS1 version certainly looks better and has a smoother framerate, I found the PS1 digital pad ruined this version of the game. The Saturn version has better controls, and, for me, that makes the Saturn version superior. The Need for Speed - 3DO or/and PS1 ( > SAT version ) See my comments for Croc. The cars are barely controllable in the PS1 version. On the note of comparing the PS1 and Saturn versions of a game, has anyone compared the different versions of Alien Trilogy? It's still one I have to test.
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Post by roboyle on Jul 24, 2015 10:17:26 GMT
Street Fighter Alpha 2> Street Fighter Zero 3 X-Men Vs Street Fighter> Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter X-Men: Children of the Atom> Marvel Super Heroes I think we're going down the road of comparing individual games now, rather than talking about games that make others largely redundant because of commonality or superiority. Taking SFA 2 and SFZ 3 for example, people have argued here over which is superior but there's that much content in SFZ 3 that it stands alone in terms of offering, rather than be covered by what SFA 2 has.
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Jul 24, 2015 12:53:18 GMT
Croc: Legend of the Gobbos - PS1 ( > SAT version ) Really? While the PS1 version certainly looks better and has a smoother framerate, I found the PS1 digital pad ruined this version of the game. The Saturn version has better controls, and, for me, that makes the Saturn version superior. The Need for Speed - 3DO or/and PS1 ( > SAT version ) See my comments for Croc. The cars are barely controllable in the PS1 version. PS1 versions of both those game are superior regardless of whether or not you prefer to use the Saturn controller is subjective, as there's nothing wrong with the original PS1 pad. Just a personal bias. FWIW, I use a SEGA PS2 Saturn Pad by SLS to play all my PSX/PS2 titles. Problem solved On the note of comparing the PS1 and Saturn versions of a game, has anyone compared the different versions of Alien Trilogy? It's still one I have to test. Yes. Whilst the PS1 version looks nicer, the Saturn version actually plays better! It's not down to framerate, collision detection or anything else specifically. But, me and some friends sat down and I wanted to compare how they felt about both titles, back-to-back. If any bias existed at this point, it would have been towards the PS1 version, however, all of them agreed with one-another, the PS1 version looked better overall, but the Saturn one was more enjoyable to play. And, I agree.
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Post by Tatsumaru on Jul 24, 2015 16:47:22 GMT
Yep. Like Sych said above, you've definitely confused the original MSH with the rather fantastic MSHvsSF, which I pretty much agree with you, is easily one of the top fighters for the system alongside SFZ3. I see, my bad.
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Post by redtail on Jul 24, 2015 17:48:39 GMT
Hang On GP '96 ( > Hang on GP '95 and MANX TT ) Better than Manx TT? Seriously? And are you sure there's any difference between Hang-On GP '95 and '96? I've been under the impression that they are the exact same game. It just wasn't released in Europe until '96, so they changed the name. Yes. Hang On GP 96 on Saturn is BETTER than Manx TT on Saturn. I prefer the handling in Hang On. More tracks. Less horrendously obnoxious AI that cheat and rubberband you into a cheap loss. Haven't played Saturn Mode so can't comment on longevity etc. Yes. There's a difference between GP 96 & GP 95. They fixed an issue in 96 which meant you could turn powersliding on, or more importantly, off. Without the option to turn off the powersliding, imo, the original/95 is much, much less playable. I own GP '95, and yeah, it's practically unplayable. Good to know there's a fixed version.
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Post by brianseals on Jul 25, 2015 13:32:52 GMT
dtss: Yeah, I'm in the States, but I'm afraid I can't help you with College Slam. I've never played . I get curious about it, whenever I see the cover art (which is really good and eye-catching), but I've never gone so far as to look at the footage or find a review. For whatever reason though, whenever I see the name, I think of "Arch Rivals". That's a really good basketball arcade game, you can find on one of the Midway Arcade Treasures discs. The main draw is, you can punch people out on the court, so it's like basketball mixed with Road Rash... or professional Hockey. -Anyway. 100% agree on MKII. The only disappointment, is that the original Mortal Kombat never got a port. I would love to own it.
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