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Post by mattius on Jun 17, 2017 6:11:44 GMT
Haven't played Duke Nukem, so couldn't say. The fact is had Netlink co-op is ridiculously cool.Definitely something that factored into my vote. It was such a cool feature and even though Netlink only got 5 games, they still did an FPS which is a genre built for online gaming. My experiences playing Duke Matches and some co-op over Netlink are some of my favorite on the Saturn. Yes it is, but what isn't cool is fucking autocorrect changing correctly spelt words for no reason. Why did it need changing to is? Ugh.
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Post by mattius on Jun 17, 2017 4:19:32 GMT
Technically Quake is probably the most impressive. Was never a fan of it as a game though, on any platform.
Haven't played Duke Nukem, so couldn't say. The fact is had Netlink co-op is ridiculously cool.
I haven't played Exhumed in years. Had it on PS1. It was pretty cool.
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Post by mattius on Jun 17, 2017 3:09:33 GMT
Some of the JPN prices don't make sense to me sometimes. like Sonic 3d blast is like $80. Figured i could grab it for $5-10. I can only guess they had a limited print run in Japan or something. Most Japanese Saturn games are cheap as chips. AFAIK Sonic wasn't that big in Japan anyway, so a limited run makes sense in that context. It's pretty niche even in the West.
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Post by mattius on Jun 17, 2017 2:54:10 GMT
I have only played Wipeout XL, the jp version, so can't comment on pal frame rate issues. Runs great, looks a bit ropey compared to PS1, at the time these came out, I had a PS1. I prefer the Saturn Version though, might be something to do with the artwork as well. Bit pricey now though, not common. facebook photo uploadAsides from F-zero gx, one of the best futuristic racers. Scorcher is a good game though, Sonic R however isn't my cup of tea, not doing it for me at all. That really is nice artwork. P.S? Just checked eBay. Jesus that's pricey for what it is. The PAL version is a 3rd of the price, and the PS1 version less than a tenth. Yeesh!
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Post by mattius on Jun 16, 2017 10:33:29 GMT
If the performance is better than the original Wipeout on Saturn sure. Watch some YouTube videos.
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Post by mattius on Jun 16, 2017 8:10:11 GMT
The framerate is pretty awful compared to PS1. Sonic R has great graphics but the handling is terrible. I wouldn't say the framerate is awful. Yes the Ps1 has a better framerate than the Saturn version but you could say the same about almost every 3D Saturn game that had a birth on the PS1 console, that shouldn't be the premise to how a game should be judged or valued unless the framerate is so bad it's unplayable which definitley isn't the case with Wipeout 2097. If you are going to compare it's framerate or other shortcomings then it should be measured up against the framerate & shortcomings of other racers on the Saturn i.e Original Daytona, Cyber Speedway, Need For Speed, Andretta Racing, Destruction Derby, Sega Touring Car, Hardcore 4 x 4 and even Scorcher e.t.c. And compared to those Saturn games, Wipeout 2097 is still light years ahead or on equal par in frame rate. PS versions are totally irrelevant. The question is how does the Saturn version play and how does it look and I happen to think Wipeout 2097 plays and looks exceptionally well, regardless of what the PS1 achieved. It so much fun, especially with the Arcade Racer. Sonic R is one of those games that truly benefit with the 3D Controller, although it's not night and day difference like it is for some other Saturn games. Yes the handling is completely off but I do wonder if that was intentional as theonly characters that do handle well in the game are Amy and Dr. Robotnik but unfortunately other characters are so much more faster than them that they just become rudundant characters on the game roster just taking up space. I was actually thinking of the original Wipeout, my bad. That really is terrible in performance. Not sure about 2097 now.
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Post by mattius on Jun 16, 2017 3:15:20 GMT
Have to give it to Wipeout 2097. The Saturn version is excellent and plays even better with the Arcade Racing Wheel. Sonic R I have a love/hate relationship with. My 2 main gripes are it's too short and the lack of fairness between characters. How's anyone meant to win a race with Amy or Dr. R? Its ridiculous. Plus if I select Super Sonic I know I'll always win. He's too good for the game. Scorcher is way too hard for me. First time I played it I must've fallen off the track at least 10 times within a minute. Just could never get the hang of it. I will say Scorcher has the best soundtrack but it is Wipeout 2097 that gets my vote. The framerate is pretty awful compared to PS1. Sonic R has great graphics but the handling is terrible.
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Post by mattius on Jun 16, 2017 3:10:18 GMT
I have no idea if the 3DO version plays better than the Saturn, the graphics just look a bit better from what I've seen. The more I learn about the 3DO, the more I'm surprised. When developers really tried it could hold up reasonably well against the Saturn & PS1. Thing is, a few decisions by the 3DO company stopped the console's full power being tapped, and many devs just half-arsed it. The port of Doom to 3DO was done by one person in 12 weeks, and they've explained in detail why it was nowhere near as good as it should have been. Essentially, the had to run it in software of the CPU, instead of moving most of the workload to the 3DO's twin GPUs. Can't blame 'em. It launched at 700 bucks. That's insane. Lol. You just posted this as I checked the tab I keep the site open in. Yeah, but you'd expect them to at least try ffs. The 3DO had other problems too. The original SDK was pretty lacking, and they refused to let developers use anything but high level languages, which meant less performance than "down to the metal" like assembler. The OS that 3DO company insisted on also had issues with memory leaks. I've read devs saying that they were perhaps only squeezing out 50-60% of what the 3DO could actually do. Apparently Namco at one point was looking at porting Ridge Racer to 3DO (this must have been very early 94 before SONY nabbed the rights to an exclusive), but found it ran at about half the speed it did on PS1. Imagine if the SDK had been up to snuff from day one. Things could have been pretty different. Then you have the issue with the CPU. It was only 12.5Mhz, and only on par with a decent 386. In emulators 3D games run about 2x as fast with the CPU overclocked to 25-30Mhz. Had they opted for a 25Mhz chip with say 2KB of on-chip cache, the 3D could well of been up there with the better looking PS1 & Saturn games from 1995/1996. I'm not sure it could run games such as Tekken and VF1 Remix though. Then again it could run Foes of Ali on stock hardware, and that is a pretty good looking game for the era.
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Post by mattius on Jun 16, 2017 0:39:53 GMT
The more I learn about the 3DO, the more I'm surprised. When developers really tried it could hold up reasonably well against the Saturn & PS1. Thing is, a few decisions by the 3DO company stopped the console's full power being tapped, and many devs just half-arsed it. The port of Doom to 3DO was done by one person in 12 weeks, and they've explained in detail why it was nowhere near as good as it should have been. Essentially, the had to run it in software of the CPU, instead of moving most of the workload to the 3DO's twin GPUs. That's what happened with the Saturn version of Doom too. The original developer (forgot his name) had a good hardware render mode up and running. It looked better than the PC and PS1 versions apparently. John Carmack took one look at it and told the developer to scrap it and run it from the CPUs only. Hence the turd we got. Oh Christ, that's barely any better than the 3DO version. Why would you turn down hardware rendering?
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Post by mattius on Jun 15, 2017 23:05:27 GMT
Space Hulk is decent. I've only played a bit of it on an ancient laptop I use for old af PC games. Biggest problem it has is difficulty. The Tyranids are somewhat overpowered. Terminators in 40K are supposed to be badass tanks, especially in the era when Space Hulk was made. Also, for whatever reason, the 3DO version seems to have superior graphics to the Saturn port. Space Hulk is one of the few Saturn titles Ive given almost no attention to. Wasn't even sure what it was about. I don't know much of anything about Warhammer. After watching the video it seems somewhat interesting to at least acquire and give a go. I'm up for any Saturn games even if they may be rough. There are a few original 3D0 titles that do indeed play better than the Saturn ports so it doesn't surprise me to hear that. I have no idea if the 3DO version plays better than the Saturn, the graphics just look a bit better from what I've seen. The more I learn about the 3DO, the more I'm surprised. When developers really tried it could hold up reasonably well against the Saturn & PS1. Thing is, a few decisions by the 3DO company stopped the console's full power being tapped, and many devs just half-arsed it. The port of Doom to 3DO was done by one person in 12 weeks, and they've explained in detail why it was nowhere near as good as it should have been. Essentially, the had to run it in software of the CPU, instead of moving most of the workload to the 3DO's twin GPUs.
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Post by mattius on Jun 15, 2017 22:54:49 GMT
Picked up a few more JPN games this week.
Really looking forward to playing Soukyugurentai, heard so many good things and not played it before.
Excited to finally try Policenauts and the Shining Force 3 games with the translation patches, though Policenauts will have to wait until I have a CRT solution for the lightgun sections.
Loved Saturn Bomberman back in the day but never had my own copy. JPN version much cheaper and should be easy enough to navigate? Yes it is a great shooter not my favorite but some even list it as number 1 for thr saturn shooters. Nice. I just bought Policenauts for 3DO.
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Post by mattius on Jun 14, 2017 7:26:37 GMT
Seriously? His features look white. And that's not the colour of any black guy or chick I ever saw. It legitimately looks like sunburn. I think you're being thrown by the blonde hair but he's definitley black. This picture should clear it up for you. I guess you're right. I found something weird when looking up about Winter Heat. The U.K. character is portrayed as a black guy with an afro, yet in the Japanese version it's some guy with a mask.
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Post by mattius on Jun 13, 2017 5:05:32 GMT
Not sure about better than any PS1 game. It still has little to no lighting. I've been playing Winter Heat for the last couple of days. It is pretty good looking, but absolutely nowhere near the Dreamcast. The Russian guy and Chinese chick look the best character wise. Rick Blade looks like he has a life threatening amount of sunburn. ...You do know Rick Blade is black, right? Seriously? His features look white. And that's not the colour of any black guy or chick I ever saw. It legitimately looks like sunburn.
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Post by mattius on Jun 13, 2017 4:55:39 GMT
Played Alien Trilogy on PS1. It was pretty average.
D is ok. I have the JP version for Saturn, but it's not really to my taste.
Space Hulk is decent. I've only played a bit of it on an ancient laptop I use for old af PC games. Biggest problem it has is difficulty. The Tyranids are somewhat overpowered. Terminators in 40K are supposed to be badass tanks, especially in the era when Space Hulk was made. Also, for whatever reason, the 3DO version seems to have superior graphics to the Saturn port.
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Post by mattius on Jun 12, 2017 20:42:30 GMT
Wipeout. Better on PS1 though due to a better framerate. Pretty sure if SEGA ported it the framerate would have been much smoother.
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