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Post by segaaaa on Dec 29, 2020 6:06:20 GMT
Both games are recognized as being 2 of the best 3D fighters on the system for good reason. They run in a high resolution at 60FPS and have amazing game play and graphics (for the time).
Which tittle do you consider superior and why?
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Post by Sonnington on Jan 7, 2021 5:32:18 GMT
It's been a while since I've seen one of these!
I simply have more time in on VF2 and Virtua Fighter overall.
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Post by Nick1984 on Jan 25, 2021 16:15:49 GMT
Draw for visuals and performance, I have to hand it to Virtua Fighter 2 for gameplay though, I just feel more connected to the character when playing.
Only played DOA on PlayStation though being in the UK.
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Post by Promesyn on Jan 26, 2021 1:54:38 GMT
Both have been my top 2 SS polygonal fighters since 1998, to this day. I still enjoy them both, and even tho I've returned to DoA more recently - mostly due to the fact I never got quite as good in that one - I have to give the top spot to VF2.
It may not be "arcade perfect", or as stylish, but it gets everything right that needed to be, and then some. Still plays like butter too!
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Post by FRS Robotnik on Jul 15, 2021 7:00:46 GMT
VF2 for me.
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Post by davyk on Jul 15, 2021 12:46:19 GMT
Didn't like 3D fighters. And after the community event that featured VF2 I know now I REALLY don't like them.
VF2 looks great though. I'll give it that. I've only played DOA2 on Dreamcast which is a gorgeous looking game and felt more approachable, but I'm not into the genre enough to really judge.
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Post by Team Andromeda on Jul 16, 2021 4:47:21 GMT
I much rather the 1st VF to either myself
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 1, 2021 9:50:07 GMT
Didn't like 3D fighters. And after the community event that featured VF2 I know now I REALLY don't like them. As soon as I played Virtua Fighter and Tekken I knew there was no going back to Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. I love the higher move set and the way characters move more realistically, side stepping in later 3D fighters enhanced them even more over their 2D counterparts. I much rather the 1st VF to either myself Any particular reason? Is this just a nostalgia thing?
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Post by Team Andromeda on Aug 2, 2021 7:28:06 GMT
Well looking over the fact that VF 2 or DOA are hardly spring chickens themselves . I like VF more because the sound effects are far more bone crushing, the music far better and more importantly its easier to play and learn all the moves, more so for friends who didn't own games VF2 was just too deep and was hard to tell your mates all the moves and for them to learn them all. VF it was much easier and so you had better and closer matches at the time (well for me)
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 2, 2021 9:03:14 GMT
I like VF more because the sound effects are far more bone crushing, the music far better and more importantly its easier to play and learn all the moves, more so for friends who didn't own games VF2 was just too deep and was hard to tell your mates all the moves and for them to learn them all. VF it was much easier and so you had better and closer matches at the time (well for me) Certainly agree with the feeling of impact on the original Virtua Fighter. For all the criticism of the graphics they really got the animations spot on right off the bat, still looks decent to this day. However I find with VF1 (along with Tekken 1/2) is that the small move set pushes players to keep repeating the same moves and combos, a bit like watching a Street Fighter match. I feel VF2 and Tekken 3 nailed the balance between simplicity and depth and it’s probably why the modern equivalents still feel similar. I particularly love each character in Tekken having a 10 hit combo, though I feel Killer Instinct took it way too far. Graphically VF1 was an embarrassment on Saturn and I feel it contributed largely to the system’s failure in the west, especially with all those graphical comparisons to Tekken in the magazines back in the day. VF2 was and still is a such a technical marvel that, if it were ready for launch, we’d have been looking at a different story for the Saturn. Other than the jarring disconnect between the 3D floating rings and the 2D backgrounds it still looks nice to this day.
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Post by Team Andromeda on Aug 2, 2021 10:14:41 GMT
I like VF more because the sound effects are far more bone crushing, the music far better and more importantly its easier to play and learn all the moves, more so for friends who didn't own games VF2 was just too deep and was hard to tell your mates all the moves and for them to learn them all. VF it was much easier and so you had better and closer matches at the time (well for me) Graphically VF1 was an embarrassment on Saturn and I feel it contributed largely to the system’s failure in the west, especially with all those graphical comparisons to Tekken in the magazines back in the day. VF2 was and still is a such a technical marvel that, if it were ready for launch, we’d have been looking at a different story for the Saturn. Other than the jarring disconnect between the 3D floating rings and the 2D backgrounds it still looks nice to this day. VF on the Saturn looked really good, it had a little glitching but on its launch Nov launch it was the best looking 3D fighter by a mile and was a port of a £16,000 coin-up. Tekken on the other hand came out some 4 months latter and was a port of a game running on much the same hardware. Its not really fair or equal comparison and to me I would look to compare VF Remix to Tekken. Both came 4 or 5 months after the launch and both running Arcade version of the consumer hardware Daytona USA did far more damage to Saturn's 3D. But then people pick and choose when it suits. Namco's version of Cyber Sled just looked a mess on the PS but its funny how its never talked about
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 2, 2021 10:27:05 GMT
Most people were just comparing the biggest fighting and racing games at the time. Most of the market didn’t have time to read into which arcade hardware these games were ported from. To be fair to Daytona it looked much better in magazine screenshots than Virtua Fighter did, and the damage only really occurred when people saw it running in real-time, Virtua Fighter just looked bad from the start, I recall it looking even worse in the beta shots shown in magazines in 1994, especially when magazines were showing off Mortal Kombat 3 in the very same issue. Worth remembering that people didn’t have a full understanding of what 3D gaming was back then and didn’t understand VF1’s ugly aesthetic. Also worth considering that VF1, outside of downed side-rolling, was a 2D fighter unlike Tohshinden. In fact I don’t think we got true 3D fighters until VF3, Tekken 3 and Soul Calibur (I still consider those 3 games to be the pinnacle of the fighting genre). Back to graphics, yes CyberSled was ugly, but the magazines (CVG and GamesMaster) in particular were constantly drawing comparisons between Virtua Fighter and Tekken. Sony were also talking up how PlayStation was all about guraud shaded & textured polygons (they'd rejected a mascot from Sony USA called "polygon" man).
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Post by Team Andromeda on Aug 2, 2021 13:41:17 GMT
Most people were just comparing the biggest fighting and racing games at the time. Most of the market didn’t have time to read into which arcade hardware these games were ported from. Sony USA called "polygon" ma Fanboys compare when it suites their argument or agender. You always see MD fans talk of Snes slowdown but never like to talk of how much better Smash TV is on the SNES to the MD. You never seem to read at how poor CyberSled port was on the PS or how Virtua Cop was a more impressive port to that of Time Crisis VF didn't look bad from the start, you look at the early reviews in Mags and it was full of praise for the game and the graphics even in EDGE Magazine amazingly enough Sure 6 months latter for the Western launch, it looked old hat but that was how fast the industry moved back then
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 2, 2021 14:09:15 GMT
You never seem to read at how poor CyberSled port was on the PS or how Virtua Cop was a more impressive port to that of Time Crisis From what I recall the big 3 from each for their launch windows (in terms of TV, magazine coverage and marketing) were: Saturn: Virtua Fighter Daytona USA Panzer Dragoon PlayStation: WipEout Ridge Racer Tekken Those were each system’s big 3 and the PlayStation titles were far more impressive with magazines calling Saturn a half step compared to the true next-gen PlayStation (CVG were kind to Sega… EDGE, GamesMaster and the others not so much) and many had written the system off. Wasn’t really until Christmas that we saw that Saturn was just as capable as the PlayStation. Virtua Cop released a couple of weeks before Christmas and Saturns were being bundled with Bootleg Sampler showing off Sega Rally and Virtua Fighter running in real time. All of a sudden it was Saturn with the more impressive graphics, but I think by then it was too late.
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Post by Team Andromeda on Aug 2, 2021 14:26:34 GMT
You never seem to read at how poor CyberSled port was on the PS or how Virtua Cop was a more impressive port to that of Time Crisis From what I recall the big 3 from each for their launch windows (in terms of TV, magazine coverage and marketing) were: Saturn: Virtua Fighter Daytona USA Panzer Dragoon PlayStation: WipEout Ridge Racer Tekken I'm on about when the systems 1st hit Japan, not months down the line in the next year. In 1995 the Model 1 board it's self looked old hat with even the console's offering more impressive looking games
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