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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jan 31, 2013 22:27:49 GMT
In dropbox there should be a folder you have access to called Public. Anything you put in there is freely available. I can take some screenshots for you tonight to show you.
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Post by zyrobs on Jan 31, 2013 22:29:28 GMT
We are meant to be archiving one-of-a-kind items here, so quality is the only thing that matters; these are meant for archiving first and foremost. They can be downscaled, preferably vectorized later on, but only if we can get the best possible quality out of the already poor photocopies. Low quality images cannot be enlarged after all, and I don't think omp wants to take multiple cracks at this in case one of the pin chipouts happens to be unreadable on page #48 of document #12. PDFs are simply impractical for distributing such raws. I get why you guys want that but I think you're going a bit over board. And honestly the way you guys keep wording your posts it's coming off as rude and snobbish. At least from my perspective it is. Your view on this is just so naive and wrong that it's unbelievably difficult for me to not resort to name calling (not because I am rude, but because I'm entirely id driven when online). besides, I was prepared to sink a ton of money on these (pretty sure I was one of the top donators), so I'm entitled.
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Post by zyrobs on Jan 31, 2013 22:35:03 GMT
The question remains how to make the dropbox "public" I have scanned the A3 stuff at PDF 600dpi (greyscale), Tiff 600dpi (b/w - can't do greyscale). Send an invite to zyrobs@gmail.com and I'll rehost the damn files...
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Post by omp on Jan 31, 2013 22:36:36 GMT
Ok I will upload what I have done.
If not happy I will post to someone else.
You guys are going to be pissed at the board scans, I can guarantee you that.
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Yes please screen shot would be tops.
I need the weekend as I am pretty busy the next few days.
I will learn how to upload stuff yet, keen.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jan 31, 2013 22:44:10 GMT
There is nothing naive about my view on this. I get you want to preserve it. There's also a point we reach called being realistic here. I don't think omp should have to waste bandwidth and dropbox space just to satisfy your obsession. For the bulk of the document which should be text, a PDF will do. If the text is clean and legible there's very little benefit a 50MB+ raw will give you versus a well compressed version. If you precompress your images before putting them into a PDF they typically turn out fine. If when omp goes through to spot check any of the schematics look hard to read, he can upload just those pages as raws. I think that's a far better solution than uploading the entire thing as raws. EDIT: The question remains how to make the dropbox "public" I have scanned the A3 stuff at PDF 600dpi (greyscale), Tiff 600dpi (b/w - can't do greyscale). Send an invite to zyrobs@gmail.com and I'll rehost the damn files... And this is exactly why you are being an impatient snobbish asshole over this. Calm down and be happy with what you get. If it really bothers you that much when the scans get uploaded I am sure omp will gladly mail you the originals.
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Post by omp on Jan 31, 2013 22:51:52 GMT
Send an invite to zyrobs@gmail.com and I'll rehost the damn files... Whoops missed this post. PM me your address, fuck it I'll post it to you. I am going to the post office in the next day or so anyway.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jan 31, 2013 23:35:45 GMT
How to upload to your public dropbox folder: While you can use the folder on your C drive, I've found this way to be more reliable. Log into Dropbox and click on your public folder: Click the upload button and follow the uploader instructions: When it's done uploading right click your file and select "Copy public Link".
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Post by omp on Jan 31, 2013 23:40:22 GMT
Thank you
I will still upload these, but I am posting the "originals" to old mate so he can have at it. If people aren't satisfied with what is borderline shit to begin with, well there is naught I can do about it, again, what till you see the board scans
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Jan 31, 2013 23:41:43 GMT
Were you able to at least scan the text information? I'd be content with that as a PDF.
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Post by zyrobs on Feb 1, 2013 0:03:28 GMT
There is nothing naive about my view on this. I get you want to preserve it. There's also a point we reach called being realistic here. I don't think omp should have to waste bandwidth and dropbox space just to satisfy your obsession. For the bulk of the document which should be text, a PDF will do. If the text is clean and legible there's very little benefit a 50MB+ raw will give you versus a well compressed version. If you precompress your images before putting them into a PDF they typically turn out fine. He has to upload them a grand total of ONCE either to dropbox or to me, or to anyone else who can host it!!! I can host it! Mick can host it! Madroms could host it and so on! We're on the internet here, omp doesn't have to go around and personally give away each copy. Shit I could host it on my home desktop which sits on a 80/25mbit fiber optic line, and it would be more than enough to send these to anyone interested, even if the scans were a gigabyte each. He'd have to check for files every time someone finds something that is hard to read then. Or he can upload the raws ONCE. After which we are free to do anything we possible can with them, UP TO AND INCLUDING MAKING SMALLER PDFS OUT OF IT. Can you follow that logic here? It doesn't matter if most of this is text, we need to make sure that all of it is properly archived, regardless of the contents. We can then make 800x600 pdfs for you later on so you can comfortably read it, while the rest of us are busy reverse engineering and cataloging the information in the docs. I cannot possibly believe that you are turning this into a pissing contest. I donated money for these, FAR more than what was needed, and I'm offering any and all help I can give so we can get these in the best possible quality, including my time and skills (which aren't common or cheap), hosting, technical knowledge, bandwidth, and right now my patience. I don't want to get the files sooner for the sake of having them sooner, but because I have ample resources to rehost them, so EVERYONE ELSE CAN HAVE THEM SOONER. If that makes me a snobbish bastard, then I wish we had more snobbish bastards like me around. Also, fuck you. Moron. And I'm the impatient one. right.
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Feb 1, 2013 1:58:43 GMT
I simply asked a question. You're the one pratcially badgering him for the raws and throwing a fit over quality when it's been confirmed by omp that the base quality is shit to begin with. Only the schematics could possibly suffer from being in PDF format, and those could be uploaded separately. And from what he showed as a raw he scanned (which was in PDF format), it was clean and easy to read. You are basically going completely off the deep end over quality that just isn't there to begin with. That's what omp is trying to tell you.
We follow your logic, but it's most likely not necessary and a waste of time. If these were originals then we'd have reason to do this. But they are not. They are old photocopies. And I never said make it an 800x600 PDF. Just so you know the Saturn manual I uploaded is roughly 1080x1600 resolution. I would assume Omps PDFs would use a higher resolution than that due to page size, but regardless that should be fine and legible for these photocopies. You are taking your experience with comics and trying to apply it to photocopies. It's overkill.
This should have just been a simple task. Scan the documents, spot check for clarity, then upload as a PDF. I'm not turning this into a pissing contest, and it wouldn't have become that if you would have been more mature and not came in overly aggressive and being an ass. Go back and read your posts, you've been extremely rude and hostile.
And if you are going to pull the money card, no one asked you to donate that much, and if it really bothers you about the quality that you have to have raw scans for yourself, go on ebay and buy one of the other photocopies for your own personal use.
Omp, take your time, scan them and upload them however you see fit.
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Post by omp on Feb 1, 2013 2:56:05 GMT
Have been in cotact with who Zyrobs has indicated to send these to. I have asked him, if he is able to do it and to get in contact with Zyrobs. I have just been to the post office and bought fresh bubble bag(s). Once confirmed and everyone is just simply peachy, I will post these to him (in Australia) and that will be my lot. I will still upload my PDF's/Tiff's as "shitty" as they are.
I will leave it up to the professionals to get out the meguiars wax and polish this off.
I wasn't out to upset people, I wanted to learn how to upload stuff, perhaps I should have done it on something "less" important.
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I have recieved contact from the nominated person, I will post these to him tomorrow, IF I get the chance. From there, I will let the other 2 people talk about it.
EDIT 2
Parcel is packed and I will be sending tomorrow.
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Post by omp on Feb 1, 2013 11:42:44 GMT
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Post by TrekkiesUnite118 on Feb 1, 2013 15:00:47 GMT
Thanks omp. I can see what you mean about the quality. I'd say these are most likely multi-generational photocopies. I don't think any amount of editing or rescanning would get you better quality in this case. It's an obvious loss in quality from being a photocopy.
Instead of trying to rescan and edit these though I think a lot of it we could recreate manually be rewriting it all into a new document if the quality is an issue for a lot of people.
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Post by antime on Feb 1, 2013 16:15:41 GMT
It's interesting to compare these VA0 schematics to the later, more highly-integrated VA13. Instead of trying to rescan and edit these though I think a lot of it we could recreate manually be rewriting it all into a new document if the quality is an issue for a lot of people. The quality is fine, and frankly I don't know if I'd trust a transcribed version.
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