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Post by xDerekRx on Dec 5, 2015 2:54:07 GMT
The US Sega CD and Saturn cases are so specialized in nature as a 3 part item that its hard to replicate them in a cost effective way.
However there are still lots of sports games sealed that you can get for cheap for replacements. Although eventually those will dry up.
At this point I have 10-12 mint replacements just in case. But so far most of my original cases are perfect. You are correct though, US cases are very delicate. Its why the price fluctuates much more in the US based on condition than it does in PAL region. If a collector is hardcore enough, and in the US there are endless people with money and time on their hands it seems, you could see 2 complete copies of the same Saturn game go for $300 and $230 with the only difference being the plastic case is pristine. This was never much of an issue in 2008 when I really started to buy alot. But as time goes on, stuff gets harder to find. Its really no different then boxed N64, SNES, Game Boy becoming harder and harder to find.
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Post by barryburton on Feb 5, 2016 19:15:26 GMT
Does anyone know, is the PAL version in a plastic case genuinely harder to find and/or more expensive than the card one? I prefer the plastic cases for durability, but sellers seem to be demanding a lot more for them.
Same question with Panzer Dragoon Zwei as well...
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Post by sych on Feb 5, 2016 21:28:42 GMT
Yes Plastic case Saturn games are alot haarder to come across, especially those by third parties and you will almost certainly pay more. I've seen plastic case Panzer Dragoon Zwei a few times on Ebay, I've hardly seen plastic case Saturn Bomberman. When it does appear it's usually in the £90-£100 price range. If you're worried about durability, you could always sticky back plastic a cardboard case. All my Cardboard Case Saturn games have been sticky back plastic for durability. Gives the case a nice chic & shine and feels real good in the hands too.
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Post by barryburton on Feb 6, 2016 7:33:13 GMT
Yes Plastic case Saturn games are alot haarder to come across, especially those by third parties and you will almost certainly pay more. I've seen plastic case Panzer Dragoon Zwei a few times on Ebay, I've hardly seen plastic case Saturn Bomberman. When it does appear it's usually in the £90-£100 price range. If you're worried about durability, you could always sticky back plastic a cardboard case. All my Cardboard Case Saturn games have been sticky back plastic for durability. Gives the case a nice chic & shine and feels real good in the hands too. Hi Sych, thanks for that. Yes there's a plastic case Bomberman for sale at £109 now. I offered him £60 and he told me to get lost basically. Thought he was deluded, but perhaps not. Regardless I would not pay such a premium for a case! I can see the benefit of the sticky plastic on the card boxes , will think about it.
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Post by xDerekRx on Feb 6, 2016 22:19:06 GMT
Sync is right. Although I cant relate with doing this process, the thing I love most about a nice US Saturn case (note I said nice condition one) is that the coverart is behind the plastic case so when displayed it has a beautiful shine that makes the colors pop. If you don't believe me check out my pictures in my collection thread.
So yeah I can see the allure of those plastic PAL cases for sure.
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Post by mick_aka on Feb 8, 2016 1:38:40 GMT
Sat to say that Bomberman is one of many games in my PAL collection that makes me think that there's no way I'd delve into Saturn collecting at today's prices.
I seem to recall resenting having to pay £25 for it when I picked my last copy up for the current collection, never mind over £100.
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Post by xDerekRx on Feb 8, 2016 7:22:57 GMT
Sat to say that Bomberman is one of many games in my PAL collection that makes me think that there's no way I'd delve into Saturn collecting at today's prices. This has become true across all regions. Saturn is very difficult to start collecting in 2016. With more and more game collectors entering the ring each year, the supply of PAL/US/JPN Saturn releases is simply not enough to keep prices reasonable. Even us passionate Saturn fans would find it impossible to start buying titles now. Like you said Mik, most us were on the fence about paying $30-40 for a game in the 2000's when some of those same games now go for $100+. I almost couldnt sleep after paying $150 for Panzer Dragoon Saga in '08 but now the same condition copy goes for $400 in the US. What really makes it impossible to get any type of collection going now is that even the entry level and low end games have gone up. You are paying $30-40 just for filler titles. Then to get some of the decent ones you are already looking at $75+. It can certainly be a put off to most. I used to goto Game conventions in the late 2000s and people would love talking about Saturn collection. The few conventions Ive gone to in the past year, all the Saturn related talk is about how lucky one is to own Saturn games or that you must be rich to be a Saturn collector. It has turned into a system that has a similar status as TurboGrafx/PCEngine, Neo Geo, etc as far as collecting costs. I think a few years ago I was excited to know I had a valuable collection and got in on it early enough. But as the years go on the value doesnt mean as much as the games themselves. Thus the high values sadden me more these days as is means less people can get exposed to the Saturns great titles.
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Post by dtss on Feb 8, 2016 9:28:36 GMT
Ive been a saturn guy since launch but only really started collection hard in 2015. Whilst i have paid some big $$$ for some titles its just all about being smart. Picking up bundles where you may allready have some titles but can sell others off. Example - not long ago i picked up a saturn console, boxed wheel and 5 games. I paid $150aud. I kept the boxed wheel, xmen cota and fighting vipers. Sold the console alone for $130 and the 3 others games individually for a total of $50. So i got a boxed wheel, COTA and Fighting Vipers and MADE $30. Ive done this a few times so while every now and then you may have to bite the bullet and pony up some cash like i did for MK Trilogy, if you keep your eyes open theres always deals to be made.
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Post by davyk on Feb 8, 2016 11:33:57 GMT
Systems do seem to fall in and out of favour. It's a question of timing it right. But the overall trend is upward. Given the number of games is finite this is only natural.
I've changed my ways re collecting now. Too often I bought games to own and not play. Not any more though. I had a clearout last year and haven't looked back with any regret. It means that anything I pick up will more likely be played and so it's OK to justify paying more. If I'm forking out more money for something like Battle Garegga - the cost of that equates to , for example, the complete Res Evil collection I had for Gamecube. There was no way I was going to play, never mind complete, those games. But a good STG? I will get lots of value out of that - STGs can last you years if you are of a compatible frame of mind.
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Post by mick_aka on Feb 8, 2016 19:05:50 GMT
Systems do seem to fall in and out of favour. It's a question of timing it right. But the overall trend is upward. Given the number of games is finite this is only natural. I've always said there's a collecting sweet spot, maybe one or two years after a system has become obsolete. Most of my NES games were purchased at a point when you could barely give NES stuff away, I was picking up brand new stuff from John Menzies, including Zeldas, for £3 or less. My copy of punchout still has the reduction sticker on down to 50p! The best time to collect is when the games are almost worthless, which is usually the point where you never think about collecting them.
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Post by barryburton on Feb 8, 2016 20:05:15 GMT
Systems do seem to fall in and out of favour. It's a question of timing it right. But the overall trend is upward. Given the number of games is finite this is only natural. I've always said there's a collecting sweet spot, maybe one or two years after a system has become obsolete. Most of my NES games were purchased at a point when you could barely give NES stuff away, I was picking up brand new stuff from John Menzies, including Zeldas, for £3 or less. My copy of punchout still has the reduction sticker on down to 50p! The best time to collect is when the games are almost worthless, which is usually the point where you never think about collecting them. You're right. Now's a good time for Wii games, though some seem to be climbing already.
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Post by xDerekRx on Feb 8, 2016 20:45:36 GMT
I did this with Dreamcast. But yes Wii has a bit of that going on.
Wii U to me is kinda like the Saturn in some ways. Nintendo sorta built the wrong system, lost 3rd party support and is now pulling a Dreamcast... in the sense they are ending the Wii U early, and only quietly releasing a handful of titles in its last year. You are already starting to see weird low print run games like Saturn had with Burning Rangers. Devils Third at least in the US got a very tiny print run. People already paying over $100 for it. Though Id argue BR was a much better game than DT... but still. I can see the Wii U getting a collector bump based on limited print runs alone.
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Post by dtss on Feb 9, 2016 2:43:14 GMT
I've always said there's a collecting sweet spot, maybe one or two years after a system has become obsolete. Most of my NES games were purchased at a point when you could barely give NES stuff away, I was picking up brand new stuff from John Menzies, including Zeldas, for £3 or less. My copy of punchout still has the reduction sticker on down to 50p! The best time to collect is when the games are almost worthless, which is usually the point where you never think about collecting them. You're right. Now's a good time for Wii games, though some seem to be climbing already. Hmmmm. Not sure i can agree with any of this. I can only talk about australia but its all about supply and demand. Saturn games command a premium cuz theres just not that many out there for sale. A quick ebay search for ps1 games gave me 6,500 results. Saturn? 400. You can go into any cash converters in australia and i could almost gaurentee you they would have multiple ps1 consoles for sale. Everything is so cheap cuz theres just so much of it out there Compared to the saturn. Wii for me falls in the catergory of ps1. There is just sooooooo much out there. I cant ever see a time where its valuable.
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Post by xDerekRx on Feb 9, 2016 5:27:25 GMT
What youre getting at is completionist collectors. There are almost none for PS1. Simply too many games and weird demos to track down.
However the PS1 is still very collectible. It has its core high end games. Wii has its chunk of high end games, especially in the US. But as far as a complete set, I seen one guy on youtube with one in Seattle. Problem with Wii is it had too many shovelware learning and child games to bloat the library.
Wii U on the other hand... much smaller library like the Saturn.
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Post by dtss on Feb 9, 2016 6:57:57 GMT
The PS1 certainly has its collectors and some high end games. However my point is 95% of its library is reasonably priced and can be obtained easily. Saturn on the other hand is not. Thus the high prices for alot of games. My two good mates and i who all collect for saturn have needed to purchase alot of games from the UK and a Dutch site i use aswell as you simply cant find games here. I needed to import games like Victory Boxing/MLS soccer 98/Marvel Super Heroes i could keep going on and on. The Wii on the other hand is highly accessible. Any pawn shop would have 10+ consoles for sale all the time for peanuts. 10 years from now i see collecting for the wii much like the ps1. Consoles highly obtainable and dirt cheap with 95% of the gaming library the same.
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