huntrrose
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Post by huntrrose on Sept 7, 2016 23:19:23 GMT
putting in and removing the AR feels the same to me as using an official cart.. but that is just my experience I guess...
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Post by Yart on Sept 7, 2016 23:29:30 GMT
I should've ignorned that video clip as it was nothing more but a shameless plug to your youtube channel. If you were really as passionate and knowledgeble as you claim to be on this apparent differentiating issue of 1MB Cart vs AR4in1 you would have provided commentary through the video clip and pointed out where these changes were and made a visible comparison which you didn't. um... commentary wasn't required. the title of the video was 4MB slowdown demo. if you wanted to see his comparison with the 1MB cartridge, look back to his previous post that you already replied to. goodness. it looks like the FPS is slightly better with the 1MB cart, but as someone who owns the original on the MVS, its still not quite the smoothness of the real thing, but pretty close. its very very subtle tho
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sych
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Post by sych on Sept 8, 2016 0:11:35 GMT
I should've ignorned that video clip as it was nothing more but a shameless plug to your youtube channel. If you were really as passionate and knowledgeble as you claim to be on this apparent differentiating issue of 1MB Cart vs AR4in1 you would have provided commentary through the video clip and pointed out where these changes were and made a visible comparison which you didn't. um... commentary wasn't required. the title of the video was 4MB slowdown demo. if you wanted to see his comparison with the 1MB cartridge, look back to his previous post that you already replied to. Yeah and one video was upscaled and recorded under a different method in HD and the other video is basically a video camera pointing at a TV monitor in SD, so how is an honest comparison supposed to come from that? There's also a mention of load times being alot longer with the AR4in1, if one is going to make such a statement then one should be bold enough to state where sepcifically in the game the load times are longer, is it before stage 1? stage 2? Stage 5? Is it all the load times in the game? And how much longer are the load times with a AR4in1 vs 1MB Ram? Are we talking 2 seconds more? 5 seconds more? Where were these specific areas of additional slowdowns with the Ar4in1 vs the 1MB Cart? It's so easy for wishy washy statements to be tolerated online and that just don't fly with me. I'm asking for full on specifics because I know I've done this test before so I want to be proven otherwise. Perhaps I'm asking too much but either way I'm so done with this discussion. Others can believe what they want but I know for a fact these are false claims because I've tried it myself.
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Post by Yart on Sept 8, 2016 2:42:20 GMT
You're right. Including a little bit of the living room in the second video completely invalidates everything.
If you want specifics like that, why don't you load it up yourself and report back to us?
You expect someone to go out of their way and use up their own time in their busy schedule to research minor differences in a video game, and then you crap on them when they don't do it your way and completely dissect every aspect of it.
Clearly, you can do it better. So go do it better.
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sych
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Post by sych on Sept 8, 2016 8:13:27 GMT
You're right. Including a little bit of the living room in the second video completely invalidates everything. If you want specifics like that, why don't you load it up yourself and report back to us? You expect someone to go out of their way and use up their own time in their busy schedule to research minor differences in a video game, and then you crap on them when they don't do it your way and completely dissect every aspect of it. Clearly, you can do it better. So go do it better. I already wasted a day doing the 1MB Cart vs AR4in1 test with all my 1mb ram games back when these silly rumours used to fly a decade ago and I know there is no difference so Im flabbergasted to how he can come out with these claims which is why I'm asking for the specifics. I'm not expecting him to do anything as his statements suggest he's already done it. I'm asking for the specifics of what he's apparently tested. If you refer to the original post in the link I was very specific to what games I tested and what games I didn't. If someone is going counter claim that I see nothing wrong with asking them to be specific as well. Plus it means others can investigate this and target certain areas in certain games. I'm also planning on re-investigating the matter which is why I want the specifics as I have absolutely no desire to waste time testing ALL my 1mb games again, I'll just test the games and areas he mentions that have differences.
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Post by neogeoman on Sept 8, 2016 9:29:56 GMT
Hmm there's a lot of misinformation on Metal Slug on the internet due to many people not using official cartridges and copies of the game. To start with you should never use a AR to play Metal Slug unless you have no other option, ideally you should be using either a Japanese or modified Saturn with the official 1MB. First off SNK never directly used the 4MB cartridge they only used the 1MB, using the 4MB will increase load times in games like KoF97 and add in extra slowdown as the Saturn doesn't correct handle the 4MB in these games, that said most SNK games like Metal Slug still work with an official 4MB, but not 100%. Unofficial cartridges add in even more slowdown, graphics issues, damage your Saturn and other problems and should never be used unless you have no other option. The Saturn port is based on the NEO-GEO CD version and as a result has a small amount of slowdown in areas of high CPU use but nothing really that noticeable which would bother most players. In short any slowdown will be in the same areas as the NEO-GEO CD version. That is so long as you are using the official 1MB cartridge as shown in this video, otherwise you will get extra issues and slowdown not present with the official cartridge: As you can see from this video it's a solid port with some missing frames of animation and the odd bit of slowdown, these days I'd go for the PSN version but if you are a fan it's a decent port and far better than the awful PS1 version. Two other points the game doesn't work on the Derby Saturn and there are two versions of it a 1.02 and the harder to find bug fix release of 1.05 but I have no ideas what bugs it fixes. The NEO•GEO CD version is identical to the AES and MVS version to play, the only difference is the menu screen options for button layout and the saving system. The CD version slows down exactly the same as the cart versions do.
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