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Post by linkt101 on Mar 22, 2016 18:51:59 GMT
I just played through Metal Slug, and while it's thoroughly enjoyable game. The game gets the crap lagged out of it in many places. Especially in the final level. I've heard it might be do with the game needing to use the 1mb ram expansion instead of the 4mb expansion. Or is it to do with poor programming? Personally, I would like to play the AES version of the game, but that would require a ton in terms of obtaining the console and game.
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Mar 22, 2016 19:06:15 GMT
I just played through Metal Slug, and while it's thoroughly enjoyable game. The game gets the crap lagged out of it in many places. Especially in the final level. I've heard it might be do with the game needing to use the 1mb ram expansion instead of the 4mb expansion. Or is it to do with poor programming? Personally, I would like to play the AES version of the game, but that would require a ton in terms of obtaining the console and game. Just get an MVS and the MVS cart instead then. Insanely common compared to the heavily limited home release (4 figure entry fee as standard nowadays for AES versions)
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Post by barryburton on Mar 22, 2016 19:56:54 GMT
I just played through Metal Slug, and while it's thoroughly enjoyable game. The game gets the crap lagged out of it in many places. Especially in the final level. I've heard it might be do with the game needing to use the 1mb ram expansion instead of the 4mb expansion. Or is it to do with poor programming? Personally, I would like to play the AES version of the game, but that would require a ton in terms of obtaining the console and game. Yes apparently it is much smoother with the official 1MB cart rather than 4MB or Action Replay.
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Post by buckoa51 on Mar 22, 2016 19:58:30 GMT
There's always MAME too
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Post by sych on Mar 22, 2016 22:36:24 GMT
I just played through Metal Slug, and while it's thoroughly enjoyable game. The game gets the crap lagged out of it in many places. Especially in the final level. I've heard it might be do with the game needing to use the 1mb ram expansion instead of the 4mb expansion. Or is it to do with poor programming? Personally, I would like to play the AES version of the game, but that would require a ton in terms of obtaining the console and game. Yes apparently it is much smoother with the official 1MB cart rather than 4MB or Action Replay. That isn't true I'm afraid. Whether you're using a Action Replay or an 1MB cart the experience is exactly the same, there is no difference. That was just rumours that were unfounded. See thread below. segasaturngroup.proboards.com/thread/8705/games-ram-carts
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Post by The Elite MYT on Mar 24, 2016 17:58:34 GMT
Oh, is the game pretty unplayable then with the latency? I heard similar issues with In the Hunt too. Shame as they both look awesome. I've never actually played Metal Slug, but I've played a bunch of games inspired by them and they're a blast to play.
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Post by barryburton on Mar 24, 2016 19:57:47 GMT
Oh, is the game pretty unplayable then with the latency? I heard similar issues with In the Hunt too. Shame as they both look awesome. I've never actually played Metal Slug, but I've played a bunch of games inspired by them and they're a blast to play. Not at all unplayable mate, it's good fun. Bit of slow down here and there, so not Neo Geo perfect but still a good game.
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Post by dj898 on Apr 18, 2016 0:38:21 GMT
I've heard it might be do with the game needing to use the 1mb ram expansion instead of the 4mb expansion. that's interesting. Two nights ago I played my copy of Metal Slug and since I have bunch of 4MB RAM carts I used one and it ran beautifully. Didn't noticed any noticeable lag of sort? Even on NeoGeo arcade certain parts were slightly lagged so didn't think there were any difference from short play I did but then I didn't get to the final boss.
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Post by roachie on Apr 23, 2016 17:54:39 GMT
I've just done a quick run through of the first level, with the 1MB cart first, & the 4MB cart second. With the 4MB the slowdown is noticeably worse, this is just my experience. Something I always do with the RAM carts is pull them up about a millimetre after slotting them in, they always work properly then! I've not played the game on original Neo Geo hardware but I've read the slowdown's not much different on the Saturn port. Neo emulators/MAME eliminate the original slowdown is something else I've read.
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Post by dj898 on Apr 24, 2016 23:11:07 GMT
There was the NeoGeo arcade at the university cafeteria I attended. Must have spent countless hours and coins And only game available on it was Metal Slug!
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Post by neogeoman on Sept 3, 2016 5:23:48 GMT
I've just done a quick run through of the first level, with the 1MB cart first, & the 4MB cart second. With the 4MB the slowdown is noticeably worse, this is just my experience. Something I always do with the RAM carts is pull them up about a millimetre after slotting them in, they always work properly then! I've not played the game on original Neo Geo hardware but I've read the slowdown's not much different on the Saturn port. Neo emulators/MAME eliminate the original slowdown is something else I've read. I have it on both AES/MVS and NEO-CD, and they slow down the same on both cart and CD about the same. I haven't played the Saturn version but the NEO-GEO versions do slow down, especially in 2 player.
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Post by slicer1000 on Sept 7, 2016 14:48:15 GMT
Hmm there's a lot of misinformation on Metal Slug on the internet due to many people not using official cartridges and copies of the game. To start with you should never use a AR to play Metal Slug unless you have no other option, ideally you should be using either a Japanese or modified Saturn with the official 1MB.
First off SNK never directly used the 4MB cartridge they only used the 1MB, using the 4MB will increase load times in games like KoF97 and add in extra slowdown as the Saturn doesn't correct handle the 4MB in these games, that said most SNK games like Metal Slug still work with an official 4MB, but not 100%.
Unofficial cartridges add in even more slowdown, graphics issues, damage your Saturn and other problems and should never be used unless you have no other option.
The Saturn port is based on the NEO-GEO CD version and as a result has a small amount of slowdown in areas of high CPU use but nothing really that noticeable which would bother most players. In short any slowdown will be in the same areas as the NEO-GEO CD version. That is so long as you are using the official 1MB cartridge as shown in this video, otherwise you will get extra issues and slowdown not present with the official cartridge:
As you can see from this video it's a solid port with some missing frames of animation and the odd bit of slowdown, these days I'd go for the PSN version but if you are a fan it's a decent port and far better than the awful PS1 version.
Two other points the game doesn't work on the Derby Saturn and there are two versions of it a 1.02 and the harder to find bug fix release of 1.05 but I have no ideas what bugs it fixes.
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Post by sych on Sept 7, 2016 17:35:51 GMT
Hmm there's a lot of misinformation on Metal Slug on the internet due to many people not using official cartridges and copies of the game. To start with you should never use a AR to play Metal Slug unless you have no other option, ideally you should be using either a Japanese or modified Saturn with the official 1MB. First off SNK never directly used the 4MB cartridge they only used the 1MB, using the 4MB will increase load times in games like KoF97 and add in extra slowdown as the Saturn doesn't correct handle the 4MB in these games, that said most SNK games like Metal Slug still work with an official 4MB, but not 100%. Unofficial cartridges add in even more slowdown, graphics issues, damage your Saturn and other problems and should never be used unless you have no other option. Sorry but where is this nonsense coming from? As someone that once wasted an entire day testing all my 1mb Saturn games with an official 1MB Ram cart and then using the AR4in1 taking note of things like loading times, slowdown, graphical glitches e.t.c I can tell you that there was no difference what so ever. This statement that the AR 4 in 1 is worse with Metal Slug than it is with 1MB Ram is completely false as is saying that an AR 4in 1 damages the Saturn that again is ludicrous. Both carts have the same effect. If you click this link: segasaturngroup.proboards.com/thread/8705/games-ram-carts you will see how many other members have also done the 1mb ram test vs AR4in1 and had the same result. You'll do more damage to your Saturn if you keep fiddling with the cartridge slot to take out and insert different carts which is why many recommend you just buy an AR4IN1 cart, stick it in and leave it there.
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Post by slicer1000 on Sept 7, 2016 22:04:37 GMT
The cartridge slot issue is more down to users using the AR which directly damages the ports as it pushes the ports apart as it uses a thicker PCB then official cartridges. The Game Genie did the same for the NES as it also used a non-standard PCB. As long as you clean your carts and Saturn port and only use official one it will be find, all three of my Saturn's still have fully working ports and there 20 plus years old. Yes you get the odd bad read and have to re-insert the cartridge but that's been a issue with the Saturn since day one on launch. You can always tighten the pin as well if you want to improve your connections even more.
The AR is known to cause some problems as this video shows with the corrupt graphics in the load screen (strange colour dots) so no my statement isn't false it's very much true as this video sadly shows, different AR revisions may improve the issue but still it's not good:
European Saturn owners should always aim to get a switched Saturn with both a 50/60hz switch and a region changer to allow play of USA and Saturn games and use official cartridges for the best possible playing experience. These days I go for video evidence over just straight forum discussion as it's very easy to make a mistake when playing a game from memory, even if you just played it 5 minutes prior, I've done that in the past lots of times myself.
It's not a perfect port on the Saturn but the way you hear a lot of people talking you would think the game runs at 5fps.
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Post by sych on Sept 7, 2016 22:42:21 GMT
The cartridge slot issue is more down to users using the AR which directly damages the ports as it pushes the ports apart as it uses a thicker PCB then official cartridges. The Game Genie did the same for the NES as it also used a non-standard PCB. As long as you clean your carts and Saturn port and only use official one it will be find, all three of my Saturn's still have fully working ports and there 20 plus years old. Yes you get the odd bad read and have to re-insert the cartridge but that's been a issue with the Saturn since day one on launch. You can always tighten the pin as well if you want to improve your connections even more. The AR is known to cause some problems as this video shows with the corrupt graphics in the load screen (strange colour dots) so no my statement isn't false it's very much true as this video sadly shows, different AR revisions may improve the issue but still it's not good I should've ignorned that video clip as it was nothing more but a shameless plug to your youtube channel. If you were really as passionate and knowledgeble as you claim to be on this apparent differentiating issue of 1MB Cart vs AR4in1 you would have provided commentary through the video clip and pointed out where these changes were and made a visible comparison which you didn't. I've also had the same ONE Saturn for 20 years and the same AR 4in1 Cart with the coms port ontop since 1998 as have 80% of the other forums members on here who are 30+ and have used an AR4in1 for decade plus years with no issues. My cart has never been taken out of cartridge slot accept maybe a handful of times when I was forcing myself to tolerate Saturn Die Hard Trilogy and it's STILL in fully working order as is many other peoples SaturnS that have had their saturns for the same amount of time with the same set up. Plus I have never cleaned my cart slot either. Once again saying loading times are longer with a AR4IN1 cart than a 1MB Ram is completely false and I know this for a fact because like I said I sat down one day and timed the load times and there was no difference. Whether its AR4in1 or 1MB all the games will perform the same. Only Saturn games that apparently have issues with cart variations are KOF 96', Samurai Shodowmn 3 and one of the Fatal Fury's. I can't comment on those games as I've never played them but I know it's not Real Bout Special as I have that game. Metal Slug is also definitly not one of them. Also the only cartridge to screw with my Saturn in its 21 year life span was an OFFICIAL Memory cart, which is why I got rid. I've had no such issue with an AR4in1.
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