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Post by zyrobs on May 30, 2011 20:31:08 GMT
EDIT: ONLINE LIST CAN BE FOUND HERE: evilboris.sonic-cult.net/saturn/I'd like to ask all the members here to post a list of the serial code on their Saturns. I'm correlating some data based on the serials, and I need a lot of user input because I really can't buy one of every single Saturn model ever. If you can also open your machine and do hi-res pictures of the insides and all components, (and outsides, including the serial sticker) that would be also welcome. I need both the serial and model numbers, for example: MK-80200-50 AD51104269 MK-80200A-50 169089398 For now, I'm mainly collecting info on PAL Saturns, because I already have a bunch of those to compare. Also, I don't have access to enough USA models, and there are way way way too many Japanese ones to keep track of. My goal with this is to document all the differences between different model Saturns, and make it possible to tell all of this from the serial number alone. Like, whether the machine is 20pin or 21pin, what year it was manufactured at, what kind of cd board does it have (32/64 pin etc), where are the region and 50/60hz jumpers located, and so on. That's why I'd need pictures *as well* as the serial numbers. But based on the serials, I would at least know what sort of machines I still have to buy, so I can document them myself.
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Post by Xen on May 30, 2011 21:51:26 GMT
Hi-res pics aren't really an option for me... shitty camphone pics are. If you don't mind, I'll give you the numbers of my NTSC Model 1 and Hitachi Model 1 tomorrow.
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Post by mick_aka on May 30, 2011 21:54:52 GMT
You want shots of the motherboard without the laser assembley on top?
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Post by zyrobs on Jun 2, 2011 7:51:23 GMT
You want shots of the motherboard without the laser assembley on top? Well, everything really. For my own machines, I do photos of the motherboard, cd assembly, and sub-boards, multiple shots for each so even if something is not visible in one shot, it is visible on another. The CD-board is tricky cause if you move the laser to the edge, you can take photos of the inside which sometime also have extra info. If you aren't willing to do so many photos, thats OK. For now I'm collecting serials so I know which models I still have to buy so I can inspect them myself.
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Post by mick_aka on Jun 2, 2011 8:57:42 GMT
I have to go over to my storage unit to get a power board for someone in the next few days so I'll try and get some shots + serials.
You after all regions?
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Post by zyrobs on Jun 2, 2011 9:53:23 GMT
The more the merrier - at the very least, I'll know what models I'll need to collect. (if you make photos though, please don't do it for models that had parts exchanged)
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Post by metalhead on Jun 2, 2011 20:57:21 GMT
Okay here's mine...
Model No. : MK-80200A-50 S/N: AD65069644
Mine I think is the early Model 2 variant as it has the separate board for the joypad connectors.
Not at liberty to open mine up and photograph it at the mo but when I get time I'll get some pics up.
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Post by zyrobs on Jun 4, 2011 16:09:14 GMT
Okay here's mine... Model No. : MK-80200A-50 S/N: AD65069644 Mine I think is the early Model 2 variant as it has the separate board for the joypad connectors. Not at liberty to open mine up and photograph it at the mo but when I get time I'll get some pics up. It also says 670-8326A and made in Indonesia, right?
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Post by metalhead on Jun 5, 2011 13:43:47 GMT
It also says 670-8326A and made in Indonesia, right? Indeed it does.
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Post by IceMaN30 on Jun 7, 2011 17:06:55 GMT
This is a great idea to try to collect information and start a database based off of model and serial numbers. I know your focusing on pal Saturns for the moment but here is some info on my US Saturns. Oval buttons with access light MK-80000 AE62066499 Motherboard: VA-SG 64 pin IC 21 pin CD ribbon Round buttons without access light MK-80000A B7D 246487 Motherboard: VA-13 32 pin IC 21 pin CD Ribbon I'll try to add some pictures later if you want them. On a side note i don't know if this has been posted before but I was looking for info on my Saturn motherboards and I came across this pdf which seems to have a lot of information on Japanese models and what components were put inside. Its in Japanese but all of it is in chart form so maybe someone can translate the parts that need it. I hope this can help you with all those different models and just think of the money you will save by not buying them ;D www.geocities.jp/atx197/SS_RESEARCH_02.pdf
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Post by zyrobs on Jun 7, 2011 22:14:07 GMT
Yeah, that pdf sort of inspired me. Thanks for the numbers.
I thought about going for PAL machines first because I can buy those locally. USA models would cost me more due to shipping. Japanese models can probably be found dirt cheap, but I'd have to buy over 20 models at the very least, to get down most different hardware revisions (and this is not counting any possible hardware differences caused by different manufacturing plants using different parts).
Either way, all data you guys can provide is more than welcome.
Can you take a snapshot of the serial? If not, can you please write down the "made in" field, the 670-xxxxx number, and if there are any small two letters somewhere (which should be the manufacturing plant code). The m. code is above the serial on the examples I have. The more, the better! I don't have enough visible resolution pictures for USA serials, so I don't know the 670-x numbers. But based on the serials, I'd guess your model 1 is made in malaysia, and the manufacturing code should be "IV", and the model 2 should be Made in Japan with the m. code being "SY" (short for Seikyo Denshi, who produced most Saturns). I don't know which company the IV stands for, though.
What I'd very much like to see are japanese Saturns with the 670-x codes of 670-8063C and 670-8063I, to see if they even existed. Also, HQ internals for 670-8063M machines, which were manufactured by Sega Logistics Service, and had an unusual motherboard version code.
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Post by yuji on Jun 8, 2011 7:50:03 GMT
I've got 7 Japanese Saturns, so I'll try to help you with the serials I'm also a native Japanese speaker, so I'll post a brief translation of the PDF later too.
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Post by zyrobs on Jun 8, 2011 12:43:29 GMT
I've got 7 Japanese Saturns, so I'll try to help you with the serials I'm also a native Japanese speaker, so I'll post a brief translation of the PDF later too. Awesome, thanks! For the PDF, I can translate most of the simpler things in the table with jwpce, but I'd have trouble with the longer notes and explanations in it, so please focus on those if you'll indeed do a translation.
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Post by yuji on Jun 8, 2011 22:13:37 GMT
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Post by zyrobs on Jun 9, 2011 0:14:23 GMT
Nice. The 5th picture, is that a standard skeleton, or a derby stallion model? Also, the one you took pictures of in two parts, thats a normal model (not skeleton or derby)?
I only have 2-3 numbers for the skeleton/derby models, and they are a little strange. Skeleton models start with B8F (manufactured by Seiyo Denshi, in 1998, with VA15 boards) Derby Stallion models start with P8F (manufactured by Sanwa Denki S., in 1998, with VA15 boards)
The things is, I've yet to see any serials that would indicate Seiyo Denshi or Sanwa Denki manufactured NORMAL models in 1998. I have 3 other serials that indicates this period, but I don't have pictures of them, so I don't know if they are skeleton/derby models or not.
If Derby Saturns are indeed the entire P8F line, then it is possible that there were WAY more of these produced than the rumored numbers. (rumored numbers: ~20000, highest P8F serial I've seen: 68072).
Of course, there may have been numbers skipped for various reasons (QA for example), so the higher serial number may not indicate the amount of units supplied.
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