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Post by barryburton on Apr 6, 2017 8:59:45 GMT
In a country where you can in most cases buy lethal weapons with ease, the idea that political forces are stopping light gun games is ridiculous. It will be a decision made by the big game industry companies based on technical and commercial reasons. Are you really that unaware of American politics? It seems tough to believe someone as intelligent as you would say such a thing. To me, when smart people make such blatantly ignorant comments, it makes me think they're just trying to score points with someone. To give the benefit of the doubt is this something you want me to explain to you? I know enough. I stand by my point, thank you. As Davyk says, if there was a market it would happen. I also agree that there is no good that can arise from discussing the merits of gun ownership on this forum. That said, if there is proof that political forces (not liberal media, I must stress) are stopping light gun games, that would be interesting.
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Post by bultje112 on Apr 6, 2017 9:22:26 GMT
In a country where you can in most cases buy lethal weapons with ease, the idea that political forces are stopping light gun games is ridiculous. It will be a decision made by the big game industry companies based on technical and commercial reasons. Are you really that unaware of American politics? It seems tough to believe someone as intelligent as you would say such a thing. To me, when smart people make such blatantly ignorant comments, it makes me think they're just trying to score points with someone. To give the benefit of the doubt is this something you want me to explain to you? I've actually been to the usa. let me tell you gun availability in your country is completely out of control. the cities are a mess. the infrastructure reminded me of a third world country. poverty not seen anywhere in europe and I've been to eastern european countries. money could be spend so much better there. What I liked about the us was it's tremendous nature and diversity. it made an incredible impression on me but it also has incredible problems, not the least of it how many fat people I saw. still can't get over that that is something that people there seem to be proud of.
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Post by Sonnington on Apr 7, 2017 0:04:59 GMT
Are you really that unaware of American politics? It seems tough to believe someone as intelligent as you would say such a thing. To me, when smart people make such blatantly ignorant comments, it makes me think they're just trying to score points with someone. To give the benefit of the doubt is this something you want me to explain to you? I know enough. I stand by my point, thank you. As Davyk says, if there was a market it would happen. I also agree that there is no good that can arise from discussing the merits of gun ownership on this forum. That said, if there is proof that political forces (not liberal media, I must stress) are stopping light gun games, that would be interesting. To me, it's not really worth debating since I don't think your perspective is reasonable or based on fact. It's like debating creationism. How do you debate with someone who has a preconceived position not based on facts? Are we going to sit here and pretend the media and the those in politics haven't been staunchly opposed to violence in videogames? Again, the only way I can justify intelligent people, such as yourself, saying such ridiculous things is to score points with someone- not to have a reasonable discussion.
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Post by Sonnington on Apr 7, 2017 0:37:19 GMT
Are you really that unaware of American politics? It seems tough to believe someone as intelligent as you would say such a thing. To me, when smart people make such blatantly ignorant comments, it makes me think they're just trying to score points with someone. To give the benefit of the doubt is this something you want me to explain to you? I've actually been to the usa. let me tell you gun availability in your country is completely out of control. the cities are a mess. the infrastructure reminded me of a third world country. poverty not seen anywhere in europe and I've been to eastern european countries. money could be spend so much better there. What I liked about the us was it's tremendous nature and diversity. it made an incredible impression on me but it also has incredible problems, not the least of it how many fat people I saw. still can't get over that that is something that people there seem to be proud of. Yeah, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Thank God for our sovereignty. With that said, I hear the UK is a wonderful place. I'm mostly English and Irish so I have a great deal of respect for that area of the world. Even if I somewhat follow the politics in the area, I wouldn't interject my opinion on your laws. There's a great deal of diversity of opinion out there and if the laws work for you out there, so be it.
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 8:07:01 GMT
Yeah, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I think everyone here would share that sentiment. It's in our make up to prefer where we come from. And we take it for granted that we are so much better off than the vast majority of the world's population and that we aren't faced with situation where we have to flee for out lives
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Post by bultje112 on Apr 7, 2017 8:20:27 GMT
well usa scores incredibly low on world happy index and other well-being indexes meaning it's a country a lot of people don't want to live.
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 8:39:12 GMT
Sonnington - I really don't think anyone is trying to pick a fight or score points on you. It's just a genuine disagreement about an issue that is really a huge deal in Europe. It's hard to have a discussion on divisive issues like this on a forum because it's too easy to pick up the wrong tone or intent of a statement. One thing is consistent though - the World doesn't think the US is as great as US citizens think it is. It doesn't mean it's an awful place. Far from it. I really enjoyed my visit there - particularly New York - it's just that sometimes the optimism and forthrightness that many Americans display clashes with the more cynical culture that Europeans have. There's no right and wrong. No better or worse. Just different. Maybe this better off in the off topic area if anyone wants to continue this. The moderator activity here isn't at a high level. I'd rather concentrate on what brought us to this forum. This is aimed at the US - but it applies to any developed country. It most certainly applies to the UK today.
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Post by barryburton on Apr 7, 2017 9:05:18 GMT
I know enough. I stand by my point, thank you. As Davyk says, if there was a market it would happen. I also agree that there is no good that can arise from discussing the merits of gun ownership on this forum. That said, if there is proof that political forces (not liberal media, I must stress) are stopping light gun games, that would be interesting. To me, it's not really worth debating since I don't think your perspective is reasonable or based on fact. It's like debating creationism. How do you debate with someone who has a preconceived position not based on facts? Are we going to sit here and pretend the media and the those in politics haven't been staunchly opposed to violence in videogames? Again, the only way I can justify intelligent people, such as yourself, saying such ridiculous things is to score points with someone- not to have a reasonable discussion. Yet you bring zero facts and simply aim to patronise by calling me "intelligent". What are you on about?? To me the facts are: - USA has the highest gun ownership and highest gun murder rate of any developed country. I'm aware of Canada and Switzerland having high ownership rates as well due to geographical and historical quirks, but nothing like the crime. Clearly, the media or politics in the US is playing a part in causing that situation. We all know the gun lobby is very strong in the US as well, so guns are socially acceptable on a national scale. - Video games are absolutely rife with violence. The highest selling game series of recent years is a crime simulator where you can murder at will with near impunity (GTA). The other being Call of Duty which has constant bloody deaths! - So, the idea that the media or the Govenrment would have any discernible negative impact on the availability of light gun games- most of which are arcade or cartoon style, makes little sense to me. If anyone can show that politics really are stopping this type of game, which I really enjoy by the way, I'd be genuinely interested.
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 9:43:49 GMT
It's more of a media thing. Video games are an easy target as people like something to blame for the latest mass shooting. It would be commercial suicide to try and release anything gun shaped because of that. Not saying it's right or wrong - just the way it is.
Of course if such a thing got bad publicity maybe that would help sales?
I was surprised that the Wii Buckshot controller with pump action didn't get much press but then it was a niche thing with a low key release.
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Post by buckoa51 on Apr 7, 2017 9:58:42 GMT
Was pretty good until the Tories got their claws into it.
I think the world probably has changed, can you imagine Nintendo or Microsoft putting out a light-gun game backed and endorsed by the NRA? I can't. Probably more likely to see a light-gun revival on the PC, if someone finds a way of getting it to work. Then again, Wii guns weren't that long ago and there wasn't a massive controversy over them.
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Post by barryburton on Apr 7, 2017 10:00:12 GMT
It's more of a media thing. Video games are an easy target as people like something to blame for the latest mass shooting. It would be commercial suicide to try and release anything gun shaped because of that. Not saying it's right or wrong - just the way it is. Of course if such a thing got bad publicity maybe that would help sales? I was surprised that the Wii Buckshot controller with pump action didn't get much press but then it was a niche thing with a low key release. A realistic gun might be banned, and perhaps made a strange colour to get round it. But commercial suicide? Nah, GTA had and still gets all sorts of bad press from certain quarters, but it sells hundreds of millions. Blame for the latest mass shooting/crime? Possibly, but again that won't stop the games being made and selling fast. All coverage is good coverage.
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Post by HennessySlick on Apr 7, 2017 10:02:15 GMT
Well, it depends on how you would define political. The reason given for the Dreamcast light gun not being released in the USA was Columbine - maybe Sega were worried about simulating fire arm usage for young people or maybe Sega wanted to avoid potential flack from the media (more likely, since they did the same with Propeller Arena re:9/11). There have always been politicians that are all too happy to complain about games making children into psychopaths despite never having played the game in question themselves. The reason I believe that light guns have fallen out of popularity is that they give a far more "arcade" feel. Arcades were far more popular in the 90s, and people that want arcade gaming either typically play on older systems, or go to arcades. Not only that, but light gun games require extra hardware - people would rather buy a game they already have the hardware for, e.g. FIFA and Call of Duty, which is what "everyone" wants. Light guns ftw.
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 10:14:50 GMT
It's more of a media thing. Video games are an easy target as people like something to blame for the latest mass shooting. It would be commercial suicide to try and release anything gun shaped because of that. Not saying it's right or wrong - just the way it is. Of course if such a thing got bad publicity maybe that would help sales? I was surprised that the Wii Buckshot controller with pump action didn't get much press but then it was a niche thing with a low key release. A realistic gun might be banned, and perhaps made a strange colour to get round it. But commercial suicide? Nah, GTA had and still gets all sorts of bad press from certain quarters, but it sells hundreds of millions. Blame for the latest mass shooting/crime? Possibly, but again that won't stop the games being made and selling fast. All coverage is good coverage. I'll admit saying commercial suicide was over playing it. But - pressing a button on a pad to kill someone in a game is one thing. To give a kid a toy gun to do the same thing is quite another. The point you make about colour is quite correct. It's why the NES Zapper was orange and the Saturn gun light blue. Is it true that the Dreamcast gun didn't get an official release in the US? That is strange as it's the most "un-gun" looking of them all. But maybe that indicated sensibilities at the time. I believe it was in the wake of the Columbine killings.
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Post by lanhilb89 on Apr 7, 2017 10:21:05 GMT
Speaking of guns a man in I forgot which state there is a youtube video on it I will look it up. Might be there not sure yet sued. For shooting 3 home invaders which happend to be 3 teenage boys I think 18 18 and 19. From what I understand in Europe your not allowed to shoot home invaders is that true?
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 10:26:36 GMT
In the UK, as I suspect anywhere else in Europe (we are all different countries you know), you can use reasonable force to defend your home.
There are cases in the UK when burglars have been shot. Some have meant the homeowner has been jailed in other cases not. It depends on the level of threat and what is then considered reasonable force in response.
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