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Post by buckoa51 on Apr 7, 2017 12:32:29 GMT
Give Brexit a little longer, won't take long before we're the same.
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Post by bultje112 on Apr 7, 2017 12:45:34 GMT
Give Brexit a little longer, won't take long before we're the same. Hah, that will happen indeed and you have all the older people to thank for.... brexit is another fine example of how older people should not have any voting rights in any countries.
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Post by HennessySlick on Apr 7, 2017 13:03:26 GMT
My family in NI live near Warren Point - the things my Dad tells me happened to him when we go over there are horrific. Weird though he may be, it's amazing he turned out as normal as he did.
I agree that it's a generational thing - any changes in regards to union of Ireland made now would set it all off again because there are too many people that remember, when we really need to forget. We just have to hope the alleged "peace" lasts long enough.
As Davy says it's financially in the interest for the Republic and the North to stay as they are for not only tax reasons, but the Republic can barely afford to run itself.
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Post by lanhilb89 on Apr 7, 2017 13:26:51 GMT
What you all have said makes more sense. Then what the youtuber had said. Think it was louder with crowder. That whole issue was over the kids father wanting to take legal action for what went down. Big problem with America right now is we have these groups of collage students. Who are taught by I can only assume collage professors, the media, and a few other outside influences to be the decision makers between right and wrong. They riot they think milk is racist they do whatever it takes to try and stop this country from having any sort of real law. In the last insanity report one collage kid wrote a whole thing on how most black people are lactose intolerant and milk is a white mans way of keeping racism going strong. I mean to come up with this and no many morons buy into this believe it to be true stand outside in a tent drinking milk with their shirts off down someplace in new york. I think it's funny as shit but that's me. Anyhow the s201ame group is now trying to push the home invasion into being a lawsuit against the man who shot them. Right now we have large groups of people pushing for injustices because they feel it's the right thing to do. Who knows if they where armed or not or not but someone brakes in, I don't own a gun im beating there ass or stabbing them if it comes to it. Im not willing to take any chances. Either way with everything going on over here im starting to wonder where our government is in all this mess. They seem to be over run its crazy at the last riot it was the Berklee collage riot our police here where over run and afraid to step in. That's not acceptable there letting these people do what they want.
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 15:12:36 GMT
Ireland is ------ complicated. We have one Rugby team - north and south. We have two football/soccer teams You can play rugby for your provence. I live in Ulster. But Ulster crosses the border - as some Ulster counties were left in the South when the border was created in 1921. So the Ulster team can be made up of players from South and NI. Depending on your sport you either represent Ireland or GB. (The Olympic UK team's full name is actually GB & NI) Some sports you don't have a choice but with others you can make a choice. When Golf as an Olympic sport was announced Rory McIlroy actually didn't go because it meant him choosing and he couldn't. That's how a lot of us feel. When Rory won his first major golf tournament he was handed an Irish tricolor and he immediately dropped it. He is a N.Ireland catholic but feels more British than Irish. Well in a subsequent interview - he said that's how he felt. He may have changed since - many of us think differently about it over time. I am undoubtedly Irish but I am also a UK citizen. I like the practicalities of being in the UK and I like the "romance" of being Irish. We have dual nationality - we can actually own 2 passports - an EU/UK one and an Irish one. We have a border but no border control. You only know you have crossed over because the road signs change - and - I am sorry to say - depending on where you cross you notice the road getting bumpy. The motorways are great but off that it is poor. Thankfully - we drive on the same side of the road Shops take both sterling and Euros - they don't care what you pay with. We have some Euro cash points in Belfast. Cashless transactions make this pretty meaningless anyhow. The South (and this is important) have relinquished their claim of sovereignty over the region - that was part of the Good Friday agreement back in 1998. However there are plans to allow NI residents to vote for the Irish President. I would rather we had stayed part of the EU as it reduced the N.Ireland border in importance and makes Irish/UK nationality less of an issue. Brexit has put a huge focus on this. I can remember when there was border control up until some point in the 90s and it was a pain in the ass but that was because of the security problems we had. Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate tastes different in the South. Tastes better. As does the Guinness usually.
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Post by Sonnington on Apr 7, 2017 15:59:49 GMT
To me, it's not really worth debating since I don't think your perspective is reasonable or based on fact. It's like debating creationism. How do you debate with someone who has a preconceived position not based on facts? Are we going to sit here and pretend the media and the those in politics haven't been staunchly opposed to violence in videogames? Again, the only way I can justify intelligent people, such as yourself, saying such ridiculous things is to score points with someone- not to have a reasonable discussion. Yet you bring zero facts and simply aim to patronise by calling me "intelligent". What are you on about?? To me the facts are: - USA has the highest gun ownership and highest gun murder rate of any developed country. I'm aware of Canada and Switzerland having high ownership rates as well due to geographical and historical quirks, but nothing like the crime. Clearly, the media or politics in the US is playing a part in causing that situation. We all know the gun lobby is very strong in the US as well, so guns are socially acceptable on a national scale. - Video games are absolutely rife with violence. The highest selling game series of recent years is a crime simulator where you can murder at will with near impunity (GTA). The other being Call of Duty which has constant bloody deaths! - So, the idea that the media or the Govenrment would have any discernible negative impact on the availability of light gun games- most of which are arcade or cartoon style, makes little sense to me. If anyone can show that politics really are stopping this type of game, which I really enjoy by the way, I'd be genuinely interested. Yeah, I guess you're right. There's never been and there currently is no controversy over violence in videogames. How silly of me to suggest such a thing. /s Just found this lovely quote later on Yeah man. Rockstar has seen smooth sailing, right? They've never been sued before or anything. No one's ever tried to link violent videogames with real world violence before. And game developers/publishers aren't risk averse at all. Hatred didn't bomb despite the massive media coverage. Hell, the media didn't just work together to assassinate PewDiePie's character unfairly. PewDiePiegate had nothing to do with PewDiePie standing up against Youtube. It had everything to do with him being a raging anti-semite? Cuz, you know, nazism is all the rage among millennials. Come on bud, what you're suggesting is absurd and the way you're presenting your position is clearly disingenuous. That's something I don't have patience for. To quote Woodrow Wilson, "If you come at me with your fists doubled, I think I can promise you that mine will double as fast as yours; but if you come to me and say, 'Let us sit down and take counsel together, and, if we differ from one another, understand why it is that we differ from one another, just what the points at issue are,'"
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Post by Sonnington on Apr 7, 2017 16:33:11 GMT
Sonnington - I really don't think anyone is trying to pick a fight or score points on you. It's just a genuine disagreement about an issue that is really a huge deal in Europe. It's hard to have a discussion on divisive issues like this on a forum because it's too easy to pick up the wrong tone or intent of a statement. One thing is consistent though - the World doesn't think the US is as great as US citizens think it is. That's cool. I hope you like where you live! That's what's cool about sovereignty. You don't have to approve of our laws and I don't have to approve of yours. That creates the maximum amount of happiness among the most people. In any event, I think it's more important to focus on real issues in foreign countries like Syria, Iran, and North Korea. It seems rather misguided to focus on small details that differ among mostly free, developed countries when there's genocide and tyranny going on.
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Post by davyk on Apr 7, 2017 20:25:25 GMT
In any event, I think it's more important to focus on real issues in foreign countries like Syria, Iran, and North Korea. It seems rather misguided to focus on small details that differ among mostly free, developed countries when there's genocide and tyranny going on. quoted for truth.
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Post by barryburton on Apr 8, 2017 8:45:15 GMT
Yet you bring zero facts and simply aim to patronise by calling me "intelligent". What are you on about?? To me the facts are: - USA has the highest gun ownership and highest gun murder rate of any developed country. I'm aware of Canada and Switzerland having high ownership rates as well due to geographical and historical quirks, but nothing like the crime. Clearly, the media or politics in the US is playing a part in causing that situation. We all know the gun lobby is very strong in the US as well, so guns are socially acceptable on a national scale. - Video games are absolutely rife with violence. The highest selling game series of recent years is a crime simulator where you can murder at will with near impunity (GTA). The other being Call of Duty which has constant bloody deaths! - So, the idea that the media or the Govenrment would have any discernible negative impact on the availability of light gun games- most of which are arcade or cartoon style, makes little sense to me. If anyone can show that politics really are stopping this type of game, which I really enjoy by the way, I'd be genuinely interested. Yeah, I guess you're right. There's never been and there currently is no controversy over violence in videogames. How silly of me to suggest such a thing. /s Just found this lovely quote later on Yeah man. Rockstar has seen smooth sailing, right? They've never been sued before or anything. No one's ever tried to link violent videogames with real world violence before. And game developers/publishers aren't risk averse at all. Hatred didn't bomb despite the massive media coverage. Hell, the media didn't just work together to assassinate PewDiePie's character unfairly. PewDiePiegate had nothing to do with PewDiePie standing up against Youtube. It had everything to do with him being a raging anti-semite? Cuz, you know, nazism is all the rage among millennials. Come on bud, what you're suggesting is absurd and the way you're presenting your position is clearly disingenuous. That's something I don't have patience for. To quote Woodrow Wilson, "If you come at me with your fists doubled, I think I can promise you that mine will double as fast as yours; but if you come to me and say, 'Let us sit down and take counsel together, and, if we differ from one another, understand why it is that we differ from one another, just what the points at issue are,'"Nothing disingenuous about that. The argument is whether political forces would stop light gun games being made. You know, like politicians, laws, regulation... The exact forces that keep lethal weapons widely available across your country. (I'm not arguing for or against that to be clear, it's just a fact.) I used the example that despite some controversial press, extremely violent games like GTA are still very successful. In fact the best selling game series of all time after the longer running Nintendo stuff like Mario. So, that is no barrier for games companies. Ok, Rockstar have come up against friction. But that's hardly stopped them has it? That YouTube twerp is not a violent video game, he's an internet moron. Why that's relevant I have no idea. Anyway enough of the sarcasm thank you. I have a feeling you don't understand my point, and that's ok.
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Post by nevermind on Apr 8, 2017 15:39:35 GMT
I pretty sure light gun games have declined as crt owning customers has declined. Its a now tiny market, the economics doesn't stack up. The wii had a lot of "light gun" games as the system came fully equipped for it.
Virtua cop 3 if made would be really popular, but it would fall under the same problems as xmen vs Street fighter did in the west. Will people pay $100 for it and the hardware to make it work? How popular has the kineckt on x box been? Not really heard much about it.
It's just bad economics.
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Post by nevermind on Apr 8, 2017 15:43:28 GMT
Follow up to the above, a friend hosted a Halloween party a few years back. I brought a wii with 2 gun attachments for the remotes and the great house of the dead game and hooked it up to a projector. People were playing it all night. It was really popular.
There just isn't a console out there right now to accommodate these games
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Post by Sonnington on Apr 8, 2017 15:59:47 GMT
Of course I don't understand your point. You're arguing against a strawman. I never said the government would stop lightgun games from being made. I haven't edit any of my posts, if I said something like that quote me and prove me wrong. This was my original statement, Again, you're a really smart guy and I come to this forum because of smart people like you and others who know far more about the nitty-gritty on gaming than I do. With that said, when you blatantly take me out of context and argue against strawmen, it's tough for me to believe an intelligent man such as yourself is being genuine. Perhaps you are just mistaken...
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Post by Sonnington on Apr 8, 2017 16:18:35 GMT
Follow up to the above, a friend hosted a Halloween party a few years back. I brought a wii with 2 gun attachments for the remotes and the great house of the dead game and hooked it up to a projector. People were playing it all night. It was really popular. There just isn't a console out there right now to accommodate these games Yeah, people would absolutely love it. Even though it was the early-mid 2000's, my friends loved Saturn for Virtua Cop and would ask to play it. Lightguns are huge hits at parties. Not only parties though, can you believe how many Cabela's Big Game Hunter games there are out there? It's like Madden for hunters and if they were able to hold a long gun and aim down the sights it would sell another million copies. Hunters could teach their children gun safety and start them young before they can hold a 5-10 pound shotgun/rifle. And that's probably why the media would flip a shit over it. I think people are overestimating the price a modern lightgun would cost. When Red Steel 2/Skyward Sword came out, it came with the the Wiimote plus and the Wiimote plus attachment and I don't believe it was more than 60-80 dollars. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying, but a lightgun that was just a camera and a few buttons wouldn't be as expensive as a Wiimote plus, hardware-wise. It would be a bit sophisticated software-wise, but MS already has the Kinect software to work off of. The R&D is basically done there.
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Post by bultje112 on Apr 8, 2017 18:50:38 GMT
I pretty sure light gun games have declined as crt owning customers has declined. Its a now tiny market, the economics doesn't stack up. The wii had a lot of "light gun" games as the system came fully equipped for it. Virtua cop 3 if made would be really popular, but it would fall under the same problems as xmen vs Street fighter did in the west. Will people pay $100 for it and the hardware to make it work? How popular has the kineckt on x box been? Not really heard much about it. It's just bad economics. it will become a major thing again now with VR.
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Post by barryburton on Apr 8, 2017 19:00:23 GMT
Of course I don't understand your point. You're arguing against a strawman. I never said the government would stop lightgun games from being made. I haven't edit any of my posts, if I said something like that quote me and prove me wrong. This was my original statement, Again, you're a really smart guy and I come to this forum because of smart people like you and others who know far more about the nitty-gritty on gaming than I do. With that said, when you blatantly take me out of context and argue against strawmen, it's tough for me to believe an intelligent man such as yourself is being genuine. Perhaps you are just mistaken... Let's get this simplified. Correct, you never said Government. You started by using terms such as political forces, and the way politics are today. I don't have time to put together a quote trail,it should all be up there. I disagree that this is a barrier to light gun games. Perhaps that's not what you meant. Let's move on. It later became clear that what you actually meant was not political forces but media backlash and social media outrage, which as we all know is very common over the slightest thing. You say that aversion to this reaction is stopping release of light gun games. Could make sense maybe. Yet I also disagree with that, because despite some media/ society complaints about violent games, they are still extremely popular and very successful. I doubt that the subtle distinction between pointer based shooters and light gun based shooters would be the reason for a hugely enhanced backlash. Non gamers would barely notice the difference i'd say. I think, as some others on here have alluded to, it is more a commercial and technical barrier. Lots of people would like it, but maybe not enough to justify the R&D. Anyway, it seems there is not enough demand or its too expensive. I don't know for sure, clearly. I've made my point, and I think that's enough to and fro. I'll leave this discussion now.
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