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Post by Anthaemia. on Jun 24, 2012 14:40:50 GMT
I connect an EasyCap USB 2.0 to my Saturn through a SCART-RCA converter, and the results aren't that bad at all. Actually, once you take into account the compression YouTube adds to videos, it's probably not even worth getting a better solution if that's where you plan to upload your efforts. Incredibly, this whole setup left me with change from £20, though one day soon I hope to get the upgraded DC60+ model so I can record 60Hz footage as well. Of course, I only use this as a last resort when emulation of a specific game isn't perfect (or my system simply isn't up to running SSF at full speed while capturing via FRAPS, which seems to happen mostly with 3D fighting titles for some reason).
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Post by buckoa51 on Jun 24, 2012 14:44:51 GMT
The reason for this I believe is that the VCR acts like a simple video processor and unlocks the input frame rate from the output since the Saturn's usual output frame rate is out of spec.
Try Freemake video converter, for free of course.
Nice Daytona playing! You drive from the in-car camera normally? I find this much harder as you can't see/feel what the back of the car's doing.
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Post by MIK on Jun 24, 2012 16:11:58 GMT
Cheers buckoa I'll have to check that out. Just had a snoop at the homepage and I could of done with something like this 6 years ago to save messing about.
Used to use Bumper Cam all the time as I love seeing the backend of the AI cars nice and big on screen just like the arcade, but as driving games started using inside view more and more I now use hood view on Daytona USA Sega Saturn. Took a couple of days that, had to get warmed up and get a feel for the frame rate again before I could pull that off. It's what I roll with, but have to get warmed up first as always lol.
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 11, 2012 19:15:11 GMT
Quick Youtube video taken from the Saturn with the card:-
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Post by zyrobs on Jul 11, 2012 23:35:23 GMT
You need to use higher quality video compression to save your stuff into, or capture RAW if you have the space (or some form of lossless), and later convert. Because that video looks *awful*.
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Post by prabmire on Jul 12, 2012 0:54:21 GMT
My dvd recorder captures full RGB, so recording to the hdd on the recorder or to a disc would give me great picture, may try it one of these days. Theres a high quality mode which equates to 30 minutes of footage on a single layer disc
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Post by 42424242 on Jul 12, 2012 2:49:17 GMT
Actually, once you take into account the compression YouTube adds to videos, it's probably not even worth getting a better solution if that's where you plan to upload your efforts. I gotta disagree with this. The HD settings on YT are pretty good.
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 12, 2012 10:18:35 GMT
Lol, capture RAW, that would consume tens of gigabytes in seconds. It's entirely what Youtube's done to it I'm afraid, probably scaling it badly (see the Viva Pinata cap I did which came out much better) since the clip is native 720x240. I'll pop a link to the original recording once it's uploaded to Dropbox, you'll need the AMV video codec. www.amarectv.com/english/download/amv300i_en.zip
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 12, 2012 11:04:21 GMT
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Post by zyrobs on Jul 12, 2012 12:01:48 GMT
Okay, that looks significantly better, but not as good as I expect from a high-quality 240p capture. See if you can record in rgb24 instead of yuy2. If it's not that, then your cables may have some interference that affects the picture.
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 12, 2012 12:37:38 GMT
I'm not sure what you're getting at, there's no interference when I play it back here whatsoever. How exactly could it be any better? I think the problem is that you're playing a raw, non-line doubled capture on a PC monitor.
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Post by zyrobs on Jul 12, 2012 14:21:33 GMT
You have your capture software set up wrong, and I imagine your cables are not properly filtered either because I can see a lot of interference. And a lot of color bleeding.
For example: - the blue blackground from midway through the video is bleeding to the right heavily (missing on the left, out of bounds on the right). - there's a lot of "ghosting" interference on the picture, you can best see it at the beginning on what should be a pitch black screen, but you can also spot it on some other static pictures.
I'd make sure you set up everything to run in rgb24 colorspace instead of yuy2. It looks like the compressor got yuy2 input, and compressed it in yuy2 as well, this recompression could account for the color bleeding (but it could be just a badly filtered video signal). And I don't know what kind of converter you need to connect SCART to the capture card, but I imagine whatever you use has insufficient shielding, thus the ghosting.
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 12, 2012 14:33:08 GMT
Cables are fully shielded throughout. Retro Console Accessories SCART to Thor Switch, then IXOS SCART from 2 way RGB splitter. Fully shielded VGA cable from the Sync Strike. I can (barely) see the colour bleed you talk about. I doubt shifting colour space would correct that. Might be there on the original I'd have to check. The ghosting you talk about when the screen is black, I'd imagine that was due to the codec rather than anything else, though on most systems I can see noise in deep blacks if I stick my nose right to the screen. Can't see any during playback, as in any ghosting of the sprites etc. I'm trying other codecs at the moment anyway. Geez and I thought I was the picture quality whore here!
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Post by zyrobs on Jul 12, 2012 14:44:23 GMT
If you view the video in full screen, it's extremely easy to spot. Do the retro console accessories cables have ferrite chokes on them? They don't on the screenshots. I've went through a lot of different Scart rgb cables for saturn, and almost all of them had some interference or audio noise, even the official Sega one. I did manage to find a high quality cable though - it has an extremely thick cable, ferrite chokes on each end, and if you open up the scart plug you can see a lot of heat shrink tubing on all otherwise exposed metal parts (like the resistor). The cables and the shielding are both thicker than the official scart cable too.
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Post by buckoa51 on Jul 12, 2012 15:05:22 GMT
Here's another example, this time with a darker level.game. Different codec settings (colour space changed as requested) but there's definite colour bleed (see the weapon boxes) noise in the background is negligible but moreso than on the TV perhaps. Model 2 Saturn's are not noted for their high quality RGB output. Still looks pretty decent to me for a capture. Will investigate when I have more time, maybe the colour bleed is something to do with the Saturn. dl.dropbox.com/u/1488717/sexy-parodius-test2.avi
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