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Post by sych on Sept 14, 2017 20:04:22 GMT
Been playing Tomb Raider and Rayman recently, wanting to finish both of them. Tomb Raider is one that I've only gotten into recently, Rayman is a childhood favourite but one that I never beat without cheats, so I'm attempting to beat that legitimately for the first time. Honestly, I don't think I can overstate how ludicrously hard Rayman is. I'm pretty confident in my platforming skills too, I'm not the best but have beaten plenty of difficult games in the genre like the Mega Man games, Ghouls n Ghosts, Maximo: Ghosts to Glory, Bug and Bug Too, Dynamite Headdy, Super Meat Boy and so on, yet I can honestly say I struggle with Rayman much more than any of those games. The mix of the limited continues with level design that seems deliberately designed to catch you off guard and instantly kill you until you figure out the exact timing and pattern the game wants you to follow through trial and error honestly makes it hard to recommend or even consider a particularly good game by the time you reach Picture City, but I still enjoy it, probably mostly due to nostalgia. I'm not even sure I get why Rayman was made so hard. The limited continues make me think that it was done to elongate the game as lots of old 8-bit platformers do, but Rayman is already a decently lengthy game without accounting for the constant reloading of old saves in an attempt to complete levels with less lives wasted, especially given that getting all the cages is required. Either way I'm currently at 76% completion with 38 lives and all five continues remaining. The next level I need to beat is Space Mama's Crater which I had been dreading ever since I picked the game up again and was the primary reason I wanted to save as many lives as possible. Tomb Raider I'm currently at level 10, City of Khamoon. I've got the controls nailed now and am enjoying it more and more, though the camera is still a pain. The learning curve for Tomb Raider is steep due to the outdated controls and how little direction you're given on how to approach combat, but it's been a pretty smooth difficulty curve once I properly got the hang of it, and in the NTSC-J version of the game I'm playing at least it's had just the right amount of save points and medkits to be challenging and consistently tense, but not infuriating. EDIT: Just beat Space Mama's Crater in Rayman. It's REALLY hard, drained all of my lives on my first attempt, but like all of Rayman it's all about memorization and recognizing patterns, and once you've got that down muscle memory can carry you through the stuff you've already beaten. On my second attempt I did it with 32 lives remaining, so I'm feeling a lot more confident that this will be a successful run now. EDIT again: Rayman has been completed! WHAT! You completed Rayman? Dude that's awesome. First of all I was shocked that you completed Bug Too! as I know how hard that game is but to complete Rayman as well is truly awesome. Props to you. I gave up on Rayman years ago. The difficulty wasnt really an issue for me, I just found myself slightly bored by it after awhile so I sold it. Funnily enough, I'm also slugging through Tomb Raider recently for the first time as I didn't play it back in the day and finding the game really interesting. You're right, once you master the controls the game is alot of fun to play. I think I'm on the same level you are on. Btw Out of Bug Too! and Rayman which did you find more challenging?
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Post by pocketpocket on Sept 14, 2017 20:56:19 GMT
WHAT! You completed Rayman? Dude that's awesome. First of all I was shocked that you completed Bug Too! as I know how hard that game is but to complete Rayman as well is truly awesome. Props to you. I gave up on Rayman years ago. The difficulty wasnt really an issue for me, I just found myself slightly bored by it after awhile so I sold it. Funnily enough, I'm also slugging through Tomb Raider recently for the first time as I didn't play it back in the day and finding the game really interesting. You're right, once you master the controls the game is alot of fun to play. I think I'm on the same level you are on. Btw Out of Bug Too! and Rayman which did you find more challenging? Thanks! It's been a while since I played Bug Too, but I think I'd lean towards Rayman being the harder game. Bug Too restocks your lives and continues every time you reload your save whereas in Rayman your continues are gone for good, and Rayman's bosses get much more difficult than Bug Too's as well. There's also the fact that Bug Too doesn't require you to 100% the game and find all the collectables in order to beat the final boss. You do generally have to go a lot longer in Bug Too without being able to save though with levels being much longer, Antennae Day being the worst example of that. Rayman and the Bug games actually ARE very similar in terms of difficulty I noticed. They're similar in the sense that they're very trial and error in figuring out the specific timing and approach that the game expects from you and have lots of untelegraphed sudden beginner's traps and instant kills so losing lives feels inevitable, but are surprisingly easy to breeze through once you know what to expect and know the exact timing, most of the time anyway. That's less of an issue with Bug since as I mentioned that game's more forgiving with the continue system (and heck, Bug 1 even lets you earn extra continues, as far as I remember that wasn't possible in Bug Too though), but it's a big problem with Rayman since it seems to be designed to suddenly drain your lives as quickly as possible until you're stuck with a useless save where you have 1 life and no continues at an even harder sequence of the game. In retrospect, judging by how many lives I still had by the time I beat it I didn't need to be as paranoid about losing lives and resetting the console as much as I did. I also feel that the game never tops Picture City in terms of difficulty, once you manage that then you're good for the rest of the game, even though the following levels aren't easy either.
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Post by sych on Sept 14, 2017 21:27:40 GMT
WHAT! You completed Rayman? Dude that's awesome. First of all I was shocked that you completed Bug Too! as I know how hard that game is but to complete Rayman as well is truly awesome. Props to you. I gave up on Rayman years ago. The difficulty wasnt really an issue for me, I just found myself slightly bored by it after awhile so I sold it. Funnily enough, I'm also slugging through Tomb Raider recently for the first time as I didn't play it back in the day and finding the game really interesting. You're right, once you master the controls the game is alot of fun to play. I think I'm on the same level you are on. Btw Out of Bug Too! and Rayman which did you find more challenging? Thanks! It's been a while since I played Bug Too, but I think I'd lean towards Rayman being the harder game. Bug Too restocks your lives and continues every time you reload your save whereas in Rayman your continues are gone for good, and Rayman's bosses get much more difficult than Bug Too's as well. There's also the fact that Bug Too doesn't require you to 100% the game and find all the collectables in order to beat the final boss. You do generally have to go a lot longer in Bug Too without being able to save though with levels being much longer, Antennae Day being the worst example of that. Rayman and the Bug games actually ARE very similar in terms of difficulty I noticed. They're similar in the sense that they're very trial and error in figuring out the specific timing and approach that the game expects from you and have lots of untelegraphed sudden beginner's traps and instant kills so losing lives feels inevitable, but are surprisingly easy to breeze through once you know what to expect and know the exact timing, most of the time anyway. That's less of an issue with Bug since as I mentioned that game's more forgiving with the continue system (and heck, Bug 1 even lets you earn extra continues, as far as I remember that wasn't possible in Bug Too though), but it's a big problem with Rayman since it seems to be designed to suddenly drain your lives as quickly as possible until you're stuck with a useless save where you have 1 life and no continues at an even harder sequence of the game. In retrospect, judging by how many lives I still had by the time I beat it I didn't need to be as paranoid about losing lives and resetting the console as much as I did. I also feel that the game never tops Picture City in terms of difficulty, once you manage that then you're good for the rest of the game, even though the following levels aren't easy either. That's good to know. I absolutely adore Bug Too! It's one of those games that strangely enough has high replayability. Once you work out where all the pits falls and death traps, there's a certain amount of satisfaction replaying those levels and seeing how well you can master them. Unfortunately I never got that feeling with Rayman but I wish I did. The game was just too georgous looking to dismiss but I felt I had to let it go. But hey if you enjoyed Bug Too! and Rayman then you need to get Steamgear Mash and Tryrush Deppy. You'll absolutely love those games.
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Post by davyk on Oct 7, 2017 23:50:36 GMT
Some Hebereke's Popoitto today followed up by good old reliable Sega Rally. Both JP versions.
Also - after much searching - finally got a JP copy of Shangai Triple Threat - gave that a brief spin today too. I have the US version but had to use the AR cart to play it on my white console. Oddly enough the US version plays on my PAL console with no AR or modification.
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Post by darkman01 on Oct 8, 2017 7:35:26 GMT
playing through the last chapter of Shining Force III Scn3 , doing alot of training in the optional hero's dungeon. I figure that until I can beat that dungeon , I have no business trying to beat the last couple of story battles
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Post by davyk on Oct 9, 2017 8:16:11 GMT
Getting 2nd place in championship mode of Sega Rally. Problem is I don't even see the lead car! Must try harder.
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Post by davyk on Oct 11, 2017 20:10:45 GMT
At last! Finished first - but then finished 4th on the Lakeside track.....need to practice that one now so I can unlock the secret car.
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Post by jasonoverlook on Oct 21, 2017 9:32:41 GMT
Playing through Exhumed today. Never actually completed it so that's the plan!
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Post by darkman01 on Oct 22, 2017 9:04:17 GMT
finally finished Shining Force III Scenario 3 , all the training paid off as the final battles were surprisingly easy.
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Post by bultje112 on Oct 22, 2017 14:23:15 GMT
scenario 3 is like the icing on the cake. by far the best scenario and the other scenarios are amazing anyway. I love how the story throws you off when you go north of the wall and after the ending credits with galm. it's the longest scenario and delves much deeper into the religious side of the storyline compared to the political one, which you grew accustomed to throughout the first 2 scenarios.
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Post by davyk on Oct 22, 2017 16:43:21 GMT
Still deep into Sega Rally as part of the community play through. Enjoying it more and more.
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Post by darkman01 on Oct 22, 2017 20:18:12 GMT
scenario 3 is like the icing on the cake. by far the best scenario and the other scenarios are amazing anyway. I love how the story throws you off when you go north of the wall and after the ending credits with galm. it's the longest scenario and delves much deeper into the religious side of the storyline compared to the political one, which you grew accustomed to throughout the first 2 scenarios. I probably spent the most time on it simply due to the training I did at the end of the game. The 3 scenarios work really well together, if I was to stop after just Scn1 , I would have been a little disappointed , maybe thats an exaggeration , but the story certainly ends on a cliffhanger. Scenario 3 especially really ties up the game well. onwards to Shining the Holy Ark I guess.
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Post by davyk on Nov 2, 2017 10:57:21 GMT
Have started playing Virtua Fighter 2 as part of this month's community playthrough. I'm a real noob at this so still trying to get a feel for the controls. The weird jumping physics take some getting used to.
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Post by unknowncheese on Nov 20, 2017 20:38:13 GMT
Just started my extremely expensive copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga. I hate taking the thing out of the box cause I don't wanna hurt that precious cardboard.
Really enjoying the game though.
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Post by guigui on Dec 7, 2017 9:10:30 GMT
Just started my extremely expensive copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga. I hate taking the thing out of the box cause I don't wanna hurt that precious cardboard. Really enjoying the game though. Ahah, you do not want to store the game boxes in the cardboard box while you're playing the game though ! Taking the risk of loosing money everytime you take the game out would be too nerve breaking. Fantastic game though, enjoy.
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