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Post by nooneyouknow on Jan 24, 2018 21:30:32 GMT
Hello, i have been a fan of sega consoles for many years and recently picked up a model 2 Saturn for £20 with sega rally. I have bought a few games, a controller and an action replay (which i have flashed with pseudo Saturn) for it. I have previously had a mega drive and 2 dreamcasts (though both of those are currently broken). I thought I'd join because a forum where i can ask questions i can't find the answer to anywhere else on the web is always useful and maybe i can help someone myself.
A couple of questions i have about problems i have had:
1. My Saturn has a bizarre problem where sound slowly disappears, channel by channel, it seems. Not all at once. Music may cut out (but CD seems to keep streaming) and certain sound effects will never play (but the ones that do play at the right times instead of looping). Sometimes all sound will eventually cut out, but pressing reset fixes it. EDIT: some games also have samples just loop over and over again (loop) whilst others are fine. Most of these issues seem to happen before sound is mixed, but after stuff like CD-audio stream is sent in. Basically, I'm sure it's nothing to do with the CD drive (because not only CD audio is affected) and not sound output either because only some sound channels cut instead of all sound being absent. Some games also don't try to load at the end of a level and just freeze and Sega Rally freezes and displays weird graphical glitches when you try to pause sometimes. I'm still assuming that's down to some games using the sound chip for stuff other than sound, because those are the only non-sound errors. Anyone would think I have a PC in a Saturn case running an emulator (or a raspberry pi in a Saturn case because you can guarantee that to be terrible). 2. I burnt CDs of what i thought was the European PAL version of street fighter collection for my PAL console. It was the only Europe ROM i could find on the web, but the image is cut off at the left and right sides and i suspect that it is just a region patched USA ROM. Is there any way of fixing this problem without having to find the correct version and burn it again (but if you know where i can find the real version as a ROM download on the web could you tell me?)?
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Post by atolm on Jan 28, 2018 2:39:08 GMT
2. I burnt CDs of what i thought was the European PAL version of street fighter collection for my PAL console. It was the only Europe ROM i could find on the web, but the image is cut off at the left and right sides and i suspect that it is just a region patched USA ROM. Is there any way of fixing this problem without having to find the correct version and burn it again (but if you know where i can find the real version as a ROM download on the web could you tell me?)? A good number of Saturn games weren't actually optimized for PAL releases. I can tell you PAL releases like Wipeout 2097 and Keio 2 play perfect on NTSC systems. Street Fighter Collection is one such game. See here for more info: randomisedgaming.tumblr.com/post/146372446412/the-complete-european-sega-saturn-60hz-guide-toI would find a way to play Saturn at 60hz. Either with a switch, or import a NTSC console. Stick with rips of NTSC USA/JP games, and unoptimized PAL releases that run fine at 60hz.
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Post by marc on Jan 28, 2018 10:14:25 GMT
Many of the Saturn fighters are really cheap. SF Collection is a £15-20 game. NTSC-J consoles are £25-35. There are so many good games around the £20 range that offer just as good graphics and gameplay as the more expensive titles.
SS:UK policy is that users may not direct members to ROM sites on the public forum. PMs are a different matter, that is at the forum users discretion.
I personally, only encourage collecting on this forum.
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Post by atolm on Jan 28, 2018 11:59:04 GMT
SS:UK policy is that users may not direct members to ROM sites on the public forum. PMs are a different matter, that is at the forum users discretion. This. Asking for download links and posting answers would only bring negative attention (if any) to the forum. Besides, all you need is google. Saturn rips are as easy to find as looking up the weather forecast.
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Post by atolm on Jan 28, 2018 12:02:33 GMT
atolm can I run something by you? If it's a Saturn related question, feel free to post it in the relevant forums (tech support etc..) and I will gladly engage in discussion.
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Post by nooneyouknow on Feb 1, 2018 16:36:58 GMT
2. I burnt CDs of what i thought was the European PAL version of street fighter collection for my PAL console. It was the only Europe ROM i could find on the web, but the image is cut off at the left and right sides and i suspect that it is just a region patched USA ROM. Is there any way of fixing this problem without having to find the correct version and burn it again (but if you know where i can find the real version as a ROM download on the web could you tell me?)? A good number of Saturn games weren't actually optimized for PAL releases. I can tell you PAL releases like Wipeout 2097 and Keio 2 play perfect on NTSC systems. Street Fighter Collection is one such game. See here for more info: randomisedgaming.tumblr.com/post/146372446412/the-complete-european-sega-saturn-60hz-guide-toI would find a way to play Saturn at 60hz. Either with a switch, or import a NTSC console. Stick with rips of NTSC USA/JP games, and unoptimized PAL releases that run fine at 60hz. So it's probably the right version and there's nothing i can do about the problem. Thanks for clearing that up! It's appalling that they sold that. I'm not importing anything. I only have my Saturn because i got lucky and saw one cheapish in a local second hand shop.
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Post by nooneyouknow on Feb 1, 2018 16:39:19 GMT
Many of the Saturn fighters are really cheap. SF Collection is a £15-20 game. NTSC-J consoles are £25-35. There are so many good games around the £20 range that offer just as good graphics and gameplay as the more expensive titles. SS:UK policy is that users may not direct members to ROM sites on the public forum. PMs are a different matter, that is at the forum users discretion. I personally, only encourage collecting on this forum. What do you mean? SF collection costs loads. www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=street+fighter+collection+sega+saturn&_sop=15I'll remember not to post links or ask for them in future then. I must have missed that part.
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Post by marc on Feb 1, 2018 16:57:58 GMT
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Post by Ted on Feb 3, 2018 0:18:18 GMT
2. I burnt CDs of what i thought was the European PAL version of street fighter collection for my PAL console. It was the only Europe ROM i could find on the web, but the image is cut off at the left and right sides and i suspect that it is just a region patched USA ROM. Is there any way of fixing this problem without having to find the correct version and burn it again (but if you know where i can find the real version as a ROM download on the web could you tell me?)? <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_98909206"></iframe> <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 916px; top: -151px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_90546055"></iframe> <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -18px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88396134"></iframe> <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 916px; top: -18px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_55230577"></iframe> It's been mentioned but it's down to the PAL optimisation. Capcom were generally lazy with optimising their games for our region so they have massive borders and other issues. In fact my copy of Street Fighter Alpha 2 (original, not burnt) has a similar problem. And yes, these will work if you have a region modded console as well as in 60hz, as noted by others.
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Post by nooneyouknow on Feb 5, 2018 21:20:57 GMT
2. I burnt CDs of what i thought was the European PAL version of street fighter collection for my PAL console. It was the only Europe ROM i could find on the web, but the image is cut off at the left and right sides and i suspect that it is just a region patched USA ROM. Is there any way of fixing this problem without having to find the correct version and burn it again (but if you know where i can find the real version as a ROM download on the web could you tell me?)? <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_98909206"></iframe> <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 916px; top: -151px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_90546055"></iframe> <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -18px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88396134"></iframe> <iframe width="19.519999999999982" height="7.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 19.52px; height: 7.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 916px; top: -18px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_55230577"></iframe> It's been mentioned but it's down to the PAL optimisation. Capcom were generally lazy with optimising their games for our region so they have massive borders and other issues. In fact my copy of Street Fighter Alpha 2 (original, not burnt) has a similar problem. And yes, these will work if you have a region modded console as well as in 60hz, as noted by others. So modding it to run at 60hz can fix the frame cropping as well? And that's the only way to fix the problem? No common TVs can spend longer receiving a frame and display them correctly? Anyway, I was more interested in an answer to no. 1 but i assume that no one has any idea? Should i repost that in the hardware section?
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Post by nooneyouknow on Feb 5, 2018 21:35:45 GMT
But they're Japanese. I can't read Japanese and I'd only go for a Japanese version of a game if there weren't any English versions. I also consider that £20 to be pretty expensive anyway because I'm used to buying PS1&2 games for 99p. But what should i expect? Whenever i speak to anyone on the internet it seems like I'm an alien. That's why i have weird problems that no one else has with my tech. Also, what's wrong with pirating something that no one makes anymore? Surely that can't hurt their revenue? I suppose £20 is reasonable, though that's what i paid for my Saturn with sega rally and a SCART cable. I'm just a weirdo that doesn't like to spend anything.
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Post by marc on Feb 5, 2018 21:44:53 GMT
But they're Japanese. I can't read Japanese and I'd only go for a Japanese version of a game if there weren't any English versions. I also consider that £20 to be pretty expensive anyway because I'm used to buying PS1&2 games for 99p. But what should i expect? Whenever i speak to anyone on the internet it seems like I'm an alien. That's why i have weird problems that no one else has with my tech. Also, what's wrong with pirating something that no one makes anymore? Surely that can't hurt their revenue? I suppose £20 is reasonable, though that's what i paid for my Saturn with sega rally and a SCART cable. I'm just a weirdo that doesn't like to spend anything. Sorry, I just assume everyone knows many of the Saturns best games only came out in Japan. Most of the arcade games are in english, requiring no knowledge of Japanese. I have no idea how much PAL sf collection is, it's the same game, but I don't care about pal Saturn, so it might be different. It's a rip off price-wise, that's all I know! There's also nothing wrong with burning games, but I prefer owning them. I would get little pleasure from lists of roms on a PC, or spools of blank discs. The fact I saved for my games makes me appreciate them more. I'm the same with music, I love my vinyl collection.
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Post by nooneyouknow on Feb 6, 2018 21:22:05 GMT
But they're Japanese. I can't read Japanese and I'd only go for a Japanese version of a game if there weren't any English versions. I also consider that £20 to be pretty expensive anyway because I'm used to buying PS1&2 games for 99p. But what should i expect? Whenever i speak to anyone on the internet it seems like I'm an alien. That's why i have weird problems that no one else has with my tech. Also, what's wrong with pirating something that no one makes anymore? Surely that can't hurt their revenue? I suppose £20 is reasonable, though that's what i paid for my Saturn with sega rally and a SCART cable. I'm just a weirdo that doesn't like to spend anything. Sorry, I just assume everyone knows many of the Saturns best games only came out in Japan. Most of the arcade games are in english, requiring no knowledge of Japanese. I have no idea how much PAL sf collection is, it's the same game, but I don't care about pal Saturn, so it might be different. It's a rip off price-wise, that's all I know! There's also nothing wrong with burning games, but I prefer owning them. I would get little pleasure from lists of roms on a PC, or spools of blank discs. The fact I saved for my games makes me appreciate them more. I'm the same with music, I love my vinyl collection. ah, I see what you mean. With burned games you don't feel that they're worth anything. With real copies they look much cooler and you appreciate having them much more. The street fighter games have some Japanese text but nothing that is crucial to the playability of the game. I don't know why they have any English at all, less why some things are in English and others in Japanese. I would just always pick a local version over a foreign version whenever possible. If the game only exists in Japan, then that's the only option. Any clue about what's wrong with my Saturn?
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Post by barryburton on Feb 11, 2018 21:03:54 GMT
On 1, your problem sounds like a serious electronic fault, not something you can mend without some soldering skills and risk taking. If you are willing to mend it yourself there are a couple of members on here that might be able to help with that.
2. If the image is squashed with black borders at the top and bottom, then it is a PAL non-optimisation issue as discussed above. If by 'cut off' you mean the game image reaches to the far left and right and then seems to carry on off the screen then it might be a TV calibration issue. Try different aspect ratios and zooms if the TV allows.
Are other games ok? Or there could be another fault with the console.
If you are not into electronics repairs you are better off either sending it for repair (again a couple of members here, Zyrobs and Buckoa can advise for example) or selling the console on eBay for spares. Then just buy another unit.
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Post by nooneyouknow on Apr 2, 2018 22:47:10 GMT
On 1, your problem sounds like a serious electronic fault, not something you can mend without some soldering skills and risk taking. If you are willing to mend it yourself there are a couple of members on here that might be able to help with that. 2. If the image is squashed with black borders at the top and bottom, then it is a PAL non-optimisation issue as discussed above. If by 'cut off' you mean the game image reaches to the far left and right and then seems to carry on off the screen then it might be a TV calibration issue. Try different aspect ratios and zooms if the TV allows. Are other games ok? Or there could be another fault with the console. If you are not into electronics repairs you are better off either sending it for repair (again a couple of members here, Zyrobs and Buckoa can advise for example) or selling the console on eBay for spares. Then just buy another unit. Serious electronic fault as in an unrepairable fault on a really low level (live defective chips), or just a problem with the hardware that you're not going to fix without opening it up? I don't think soldering is really a problem, though I'm not that good with taking risks. Should i start a separate thread somewhere else in the appropriate area? I'm worried I'll get banned for making duplicate threads or something. Thanks! I know it's to do with the game not being PAL-optimised, but i thought it wasn't PAL-optimised because it wasn't the PAL version and the actual PAL-version probably was optimised, but that was wrong, and now i know there isn't a version that works properly so i don't really care anymore because the version I'm using is the best i can really get. It has black borders on the top and bottom and the left and right edges aren't there as in they run off the screen so you can't see stuff at the far left and far right. The 4:3 LCD TV I use with my old consoles is old-ish (not old like CRT old but just early 2000s old where it's outdated and a bit crap by today's standards but doesn't really have any retro-coolness value either) and doesn't even work properly either (the buttons on top have really weird faults where they sometimes perform the wrong function when pressed. But the point is that it doesn't really seem to offer much in the way of video settings, but I'll have a look. It was only those street fighter games that had the problem, not really any of my other games, at least not that I can remember. I was looking out for things that said it wasn't PAL optimised more for this one as I could only find one European ROM, but not the other games I have because they are genuine pressed discs that say PAL etc. I would rather not sell it because I only came across it in a local shop. It's one of the few things that I have because it found me rather than me fancying one and hunting one down on eBay. I also get attached to pretty much everything i buy or own so maybe i should be looking for medical help instead?
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