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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 6, 2013 11:23:17 GMT
I could understand if you liked the game but favourite? That is a bit of a stretch. DEPENDS... depends on whether your name IS Yart...
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 5, 2013 9:53:33 GMT
As far as Saturn and stuff that still holds up well today, if we are not just talking visuals, but also fun? Well then.... Well up until last week I had not played anything on Saturn since 2008. I have to admit going back and playing stuff on it again I am really amazed at the over all quality of the titles. The stuff on Saturn was more on par with powerhouse PC gaming back then the the PS1 was, at least concerning raw polygon counts and consistent rendering speed and resolution in some cases, as well as load times. Dont get me wrong, the PS1 had its moments and some really great titles, but the over all quality for PS1 is not standing the test of time outside of titles like certain arcade ports like Strider 1 and 2, the R-Type stuff, Namcos titles, or exclusives like Einhänder, MGS, Tenchu, Crash 1 and 2, etc. Many of the other titles for PS1 back then that were considered B+ to C- titles are not stuff I could even consider to be that good anymore because they were running at really low res and low framerates also. They had worse framerates and a lot of stuff had a almost screen door look to its 3D too depending on the title. When I think about the Saturn, it seems to have the most exclusives to hold up well even today, if I count both domestic and import. Even much of the non-exclusive stuff like Zero Divide or Toshinden URA is better looking and or faster on Saturn. One of the best ways I can tell if the stuff still holds up well is letting my son and his friends check the stuff out which I did the past few days (my son loves classic gaming but the PS1 just does not do it for him really, and he has quite a few of the A+ PS1 titles in his collection). They tend to lose interest with PS1 stuff pretty fast, and even when they do get slightly interested, they don't want to play the stuff on PS1 so much as just check out youtube videos and see what some gaming joke they heard was referring to on some previous PS1 title (like the MGS jokes and shit like "what is a man but a miserable pile of secrets"). Sitting them down in front of the Saturn though and they just got sucked in, totally engaged. They want to pick up that controller and play, and they did. They loved how fast and smooth most everything 3D based runs, and how the Saturn has some real timeless classics like Space Harrier and near arcade perfect ports of the Capcom fighters and shooters on it. I have some opinion on why this could all be the case too. Most of the epic PS1 titles that still hold up tend to be long story driven titles requiring a lot of time to get into. Kids these days do like to play that kind of stuff, but they can get the same story quality on newer titles more modern hardware, so the PS1 does not really give them anything they dont already have. Much of the Saturns stuff is superior arcade ports or really great fast paced games not requiring you to be invested 3 hours in on your first play session in order to get anywhere. A lot of the Saturn exclusives don't just rely on story to get you pulled into whats going on. Its more about whats constantly happening at that very moment onscreen and the action is faster paced. That I think tends to help them focus more on the fun then just on the visual aspects alone (they seem to get this same experience from the 16-bit stuff also), where as on the PS1 they cant help but have to stop and look a lot at what they are playing because many of the killer aps on PS1, many of them like MGS, Tenchu, or Silent Hill move at a much slower pace because they are so story driven or based on some gameplay aspect that was designed in a way that the PS1 could cope with it. A few like Crash still entertain constantly, but those titles are not as abundant, at least the good ones anyway. I could go more and more on this but I wont bother. I think some of you will understand what I am getting at. You can have great visuals and tell a great story, but to stand the test of time, as a game, as a game system also, you have to offer more then that. To stand the test of time you have to be able to impress and constantly entertain a newer generation, if not as well as the prior generation, then pretty damn well at least. You have to be able to still offer them something they are not currently getting from the modern stuff. At any rate: Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 VF2 Grandia Dead or Alive Daytona USA (both versions) Die Hard Arcade Duke 3D Quake (even my son was impressed with Quake on Saturn, thinks it looks and runs better then his N64 version) the 2D arcade ports and most of the STV titles. There are obviously others, sure, but I mean, way too many to list. I would be doing the Saturn a real disservice trying to tackle a list like this. Anyway, end of giant wall of text AN ENJOYABLE READ... Dr Professor Katz. Out of interest, how old are you and your son? I'm presuming he is around 12-14 and you are in your early to mid 30's? But I could be wrong I agree with pretty much a lot of what you said concerning the lasting appeal of Saturn titles > PS1 titles, however, like you said - when you strip down the arcade-style exclusives, I feel that both consoles are actually much more toe to toe than you are giving credit for. However, if you include the non-exclusive Arcade ports to the list of Saturn titles (i.e. Capcom & SNK ports) then, yes, the Saturn outweighs the PS1 somewhat I suppose, 2D fighters are the PS1's achilles heal, although, I still think that many of the ports were alright to be honest. Just not up to the Saturns standard and capabilities GOING BACK TO YOUR SON... and his interest in older games, from how describe your analysis of why you think the Saturn appeals tohim so greatly, I would imagine that the Dreamcast would be the next, best logical port of call. It has so many great, high standard casual gaming experiences available for it, I'm sure he'd love it - from PowerStone to MarsMatrix to MrDriller! The Saturn is fantastic, but the Dreamcast will always be 'the' SEGA system for me. Anyway, nice to have you aboard. Also, there's a good few of us on here who fall-in to the 'wall of text' protocol, so feel no shame in letting it all out ;D
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 3, 2013 15:55:35 GMT
haha, I bet it did. I still find it strange that the review has 1 comment - yours but more views than any of my most recent reviews. I don't know what that means. I THINK YOU JUST... have to appreciate that not everyone likes to openly talk about things, including games. Some PPL are quite simply very private and keep their opinions to themselves or others only really reply to others comments as opposed to originating comments themselves on matters/subjects. For example, there are many individuals who 'lurk' on sites in the background simply reading as opposed to getting involved as forum interaction with PPL they feel they don't actually 'know' is something that doesn't really appeal to them. YouTube will be the same in many more respects really based on the size of the audience i.e. the world! So, don't be disheartened. Didn't mean the person who watched it disagreed with your views nor does it mean they didn't enjoy it. It probably means they felt they had nothing to add or just prefer not to get involved communicatively
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 3, 2013 14:40:20 GMT
YOU MEAN... Swinging log - into face - log - face - log - face - log - face - log - face - log - face - log - face (etc) LOL CAN'T DENY IT THOUGH... that video made me wanted to take a big swinging log to the face ;D *ahem*
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 3, 2013 9:19:27 GMT
Well I wanted to buy a non-yellowing white one, so I wrote a guy asking him to find me one. While he was looking I bought a skeleton saturn thinking he would't find one for me. A day later he had a nice white one for me, and I bought that too. Soooooo... what to do with 2 saturns? Hori and Tate? JPN and US? I'll figure it out. THE TRUTH IS... you use one with an official memory card which you NEVER remove from the console for all your games that require save games or highscore saving (i.e. shmups and ResEvil etc) and the other you stick an AR4+1 to make it multi-regional and allow you to play all the games requiring additional RAM - especially the sublime Capcom vs titles and SFZero3, although, if you're already over at sites like AO and seemingly own Cave PCB's, you'll already own the CPSII originals of these?
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 3, 2013 9:16:06 GMT
Hello, just introducing myself. I'm Eddie and am here to check things out. I've been active on Neo-Geo.com, Shmups.com, and ArcadeOtaku.com. I'm a cook and I recently bought a Saturn again. Well I accidentally bought 2. Looking forward to some RayForce and Battle Garegga soon. Thanks. LOOPYEDDIE... welcome to SS:UK I'm fairly new over to NG.com but I definitely recognise your name. Don't you have something to do with custom MVS Shockbox inserts (i.e. have you designed some in the past?). The NeoGeo is pretty much my gaming mainstay, but I like me some Saturn too. Look forward to chatting with you (etc) about all things gaming and whatnot in the future. FYI, Garegga is my fave Saturn shooter. Layer Section, not so much, but I like it all the same. I have a bit of an issue with Taito's shmup brutality - especially *instant*unavoidable* lasers of death...
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 3, 2013 8:20:24 GMT
What this does mean is now I need to NBA Jam Extreme... Not really... ...and NBA Jam TE on Saturn now. Definitely!
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 3, 2013 8:18:19 GMT
You only have to watch one review before realizing my game playing skills are at best, sub-par. YOU MEAN... Swinging log - into face - log - face - log - face - log - face - log - face - log - face - log - face (etc)
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 2, 2013 13:45:14 GMT
The same as in giving a horrible whining noise or completely dead? If you burned a fuse is would be dead as a brick. OUT OF THE NEAR... fifty+ views this thread has had, thanks for your reply I've made a wee bit of progress on this. I opened up another Saturn (PAL unit) with a 5-pin PSU connector (different sized board) and, quite literally, shoe-horned it into position and powered it up. And the Saturn worked again! So, seems it's either an issue with the PSU itself or the fuse. Problem is with my JP power board is that the fuse, for whatever reason, is actually soldered to the board as opposed to the clip pins on my PAL board. Changing that fuse is WELL out of my skill set I'm afraid. I'll have to create another post to see if someone can help me out...
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on May 2, 2013 7:38:21 GMT
I have it on beginner and after several attempts I won my first fight. Feck me this is an unforgiving game. Just a couple of hits from my opponent and its game over. Any one got any good tips or know of any good sites with tips on how to play? ONE THING YOU MUST... consider when playing '95 is that the AI was designed in such a way that it (effectively) just counters all your moves, so you have to play it in a way which counters that way of thinking - like reverse psychology; trick the opponent into making a move upon which you can take advantage of as opposed to the other way around. You'll notice such things as when you throw a fireball, the opponent near always does too - as many times as you do! Certain characters, like Yuri for example, can be a bit of a nightmare though. Like Chohan said though, make more use of the dodge (LP+LK/A+B)
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Apr 29, 2013 12:51:41 GMT
how does UMK3 rate compared to 2 and Trilogy on the Saturn? ERM... it's like Trilogy, but not as good/complete. Better than MK3 - wore than Trilogy. Well worth picking up for the money to tie you over until the big MKT purchase. MK3 series isn't comparable to MKII btw. They're just completely different games imo, of which, I will always prefer the style and gameplay of II > all other MK's, even though technically, the 3 series IS better...
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Apr 28, 2013 7:56:37 GMT
Okay, first post but certainly not the first time I've been to the site. I've been scouring the forums and can't find much about my issue. I have a model 1 Saturn and received my AR Plus cart today(NIB) and found fruitless results trying to get the device to work. Right from boot up the Saturn screen pops up to the dash and says "Cartridge unsuitable for this system" no matter how many times I try to "re-seat" the cartridge. I've cleaned the port with rubbing alcohol, wiped it with the credit card method, even used a fine grit sandpaper to make sure there was no corrosion or solvents sitting idly on the pins. The pins look to be out far enough to not need "re-bending" as well as almost impossible to get even a small tool in there to bend the pins. Again, I can't even get to a different screen other than the dash, no import games will work. This is the only cart I have as I had a Memory Card Plus and it had the same results so I shipped it back. Possible to have 2 bad carts? My main problem is every time someone has had the "Cartridge unsuitable" issue, it has been unanswered or passed over as "oh it's just a crappy port". I'm low on money and trying to find out if I can just fix the damn thing my self, I'm capable. The only other thing I can think of is I think I saw a capacitor or transistor(?) leaking a white dried up goo on the top side middle of the board, could this be my issue? Thanks for any help guys. FIRSTLY... welcome "officially" to the site Secondly; although I can't offer any real help or insight into your issue, what I can say is, as someone who has constantly had issues with his carts and cart slots (oo-er!) I have ever once seen that message on my screen ever! I had no idea you could even insert carts that were "unsuitable" for the Saturn!! Sounds like an unusual issue to me, which like you say, could well be hardware > software/cart fault. Yeah. Saturn's really can be a pain in the arse sometimes...
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Apr 28, 2013 1:18:20 GMT
IT'S REALLY NOT AT ALL OFTEN... you'll see me posting in this section of the forum. But, here it is. My contribution. I'm really hoping that the likes of Zyrobs (etc) can shed some light on this seemingly horrific instance - SO, I'VE MADE NO SECRET HERE... of my constant ongoing issues I have with my Saturn with regards to it's cart slot deficiency. Quite simply, it just doesn't work. Anyway, I was hankering for some Capcom Fighting Game Action on the Saturn, soo decided to unpack one of the Saturns I had boxed away as a 'spare'. Now, just to clarify, my 'deficient' Saturn is a JP Saturn that I had the power board swapped out of when I bought it, along with the switchless 60/50 and multi-region mod. No problems there. However, my newly 'unpacked' Saturn is a stock JP Saturn - end of. So, I decided to hook it up to my Step-Down Transformer which I used for YEARS with my JP DC - before I too had that modded with a UK PSU and multi-region mod. As with the DC originally, I put the fig.8 in the back of my Saturn and used a 3-pin UK lead from the Saturn into the Step-Down. I then put the other trailing lead (the input lead) into the mains, and fired up the Saturn. And voila! It fired up just fine. Sooo... what's the problem you ask? Well, I was in the midst of a game of SFZero3 when the door bell rand with the takeaway (slob!) so paused the game. We ate, then watched the entire episode of The Voice (ahem!) and then, not long later, I returned to the Saturn. I'd say it'd been paused for a couple of hours max. Anyway, I got back into it and it was (obviously) as I left it/ had a few more fights, then, mid-fight with Ken, the screen went off - went static and a horrible whining noise came through my speakers. Not loud, but certainly audible. Understandably, I was concerned. So, I quickly shot up and turned it off. I unplugged the Saturn and felt that the left hand side of the Saturn (where the power board is) was pretty damn warm. I'm not at all experience with this sort of thing so decided to swap out the Power Lead and try again (in case the fuse in the plug had blown) but it was the same. So seemingly, something has 'happened' to the Saturn itself? Which is worrying I have a 3rd Saturn which I unpacked and tried out the exact same way (only briefly! Call me dangerous) and it worked just fine. So, seems my other Saturn has overheated or something? CAN ANYONE... please offer any advice or help to try and rectify the issue. Is there perhaps a fuse on the power board that needs swapping out, or is this Saturn dead? I really hope it isn't
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Apr 27, 2013 9:55:11 GMT
I am pretty much stealing this and using it as my own in my review. Thanks, NGN. haha, I kid. THERE'S NO HARM IN THAT MATE... especially if you agree with any of the points I made concerning the game. Obviously, if you don't, then don't mention them! But yeah, if you wanted 'Carterise' any of the points I mentioned, then go for it...
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Post by NeoGeoNinja on Apr 25, 2013 18:40:26 GMT
Gonna have a blast on Garegga and Batsugun.......................... TWO OF THE HOLY TRINITY... of Saturn shooters dude. The third being Soukyugurentai (imo)
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